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« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »
Finski; you are da MAN!! 

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« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2011, 12:14:29 PM »
Finski; you are da MAN!!  

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 Actually grand da....

I started beekeeping at the age of 15.
It is my fault that get every year 2 years older when I read these forums.

Before I die I may be menthally 120 years old.
First things what i like to forget along my age are top bar and small cells and a sentence " listen the bees"
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« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2011, 01:20:01 PM »
But.....I'm always listening to my bees as you can see if you look close at my post picture, and they speak volumes.

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« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2011, 01:44:37 PM »
But.....I'm always listening to my bees as you can see if you look close at my post picture, and they speak volumes.

thomas

sounds bad, really bad....old age comes not alone.


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« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2011, 01:54:52 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: January 22, 2011, 02:23:03 PM »
@AceBird and T-Beek

I think the data backs up AceBirds assertion that bees aren’t too smart.  According to researchers in Germany, the volume of a bee brain is about 14um cubed in total.  According to Wikipedia, an adult male brain is about 1260cm cubed.  Converting that into cubic um, we find the human brain has a volume of 1.26x10+15 um cubed.  That is 9x10+13 bigger than a bee brain.

You see, we have to potential to be much smarter than a bee  :-D

Here’s a link to the German bee brain paper, an interesting read.
http://www.insectscience.org/4.7/Haddad_et_al_JIS_4_7_2004.pdf

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« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2011, 02:55:11 PM »
Maybe after we've been around for 60 million years (as the bees have) perhaps we can talk about that :roll:

It all sounds like typical human arrogance to me.

Bees would likely do remarkably well without humans (and have), can humans say the same?  I think not my friends.

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« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2011, 03:07:09 PM »
Each bee has 1 million neurons.  So  a hive of  100,000 bees have altogether 100 billion neurons.  Which by a happy coincidence is exactly the number of neurons in the human brain.  So a large hive, taken as a superorganism, has the same brain power as .... well.... some of us.  :-D
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« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2011, 03:30:27 PM »
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I think that earth worms have lived on eart or inside longer than the bee. So it must be smarter than bee.
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« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2011, 04:19:52 PM »
without the bees we would all be bored and have alot less food to eat  :)

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« Reply #90 on: January 22, 2011, 04:26:20 PM »
I agree with Acebird, I’ve seen my bees do some pretty dumb things; no matter how many years they've been around!

When a hive of 100,000 can out think Isaac Newton, Einstein, or Niels Bohr, then I will be impressed!

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« Reply #91 on: January 22, 2011, 05:08:19 PM »
without the bees we would all be bored and have alot less food to eat  :)

how is that? America had no bees and indians had enough food.
What about wind pollintion and self pollination and snail, bath, bird etc pollination?
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« Reply #92 on: January 22, 2011, 05:50:45 PM »
I always find it humorous when people aren't willing to do a small thing like put food on a bee hive to save it.

90% of the time when they truly starve it is our fault.  Or just reallyreally really cold.

You can blame the bees or accept that while you want them to thrive, they are still in your boxes relying on your goodwill doing work for you.  If we took that attitude about everything we'd all starve.
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« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2011, 09:23:34 PM »
I should add here that bees had been around for 150 million years!
 
(Latest research involving the last bee found, perfectly preserved in amber and if memory serves me right?  It was found in California.) 
Previous  proven estimate was about 120 milion years.

That is longer than any creature known to inhabit this globe.
They say that they managed to stay on this earth, all this time, largely the same way as we know them how they exist today.  That being so, is, because of their incredible smarts, work ethics, dedication to their collective... 
By our standards they are regarded as an incredibly well thought out and proven society - collective. . . 
In my country of origin, they are regarded, spoken off, on the same level as humans and they die as humans.  Other animals, the word for their death is diferent than for humans and bees.  English language is not nearly as colourful and rich as languages of other country's and nations.
In many a country, even to this day, they are regarded as being better than humans and harming them is punishable by death!   Yes - death!

About bee smarts:
Bees are today, by scientists, classified as the smartest beings on the planet.  (Man is next. Used to be first though.)
 
They can navigate without mechanical or electronic aid.
They poses very complex language skills.
They can foretell the weather, without help of computers or other gizmo's.
They navigate by sun, moon and/or stars alone.
They can navigate under darkest clouds and fog, without any aid.
They can tell colours/smells that human or other mammals can not.
They can measure, very accurately, without any aid at all.  (short distances)
They can measure, long distances, within the accuracy of a foot or two.
They can comunicate in more ways than one. 
They can tell and recognize human faces.  Not only one on one, but from pictures also.
They can recognize YOU - their keeper.  (Can you recognize them?  For being yours?)

There is much more, but I will stop now and I hope that  those in doubt will get the drift?

Sadly, some people keep singling them out, so they can tear them down with better success?  :roll:
I suspect they regard them as being stupid, not too smart, cause they stay with them?   :) ;) :-D
Bees are studied in that regard (for smartness) as a whole hive!  They only function best, as they do - as a hive, collectively that is. . .

One more thing:
An old "swamp person" from the Bayou of Louisiana, not too long ago, said to a person/scientist from the National Geographic:  "Mista, you best shut you mouth now!  You mabe book smart, but you ain't no common sense smart!  Here mista, common sense means - if you live, or you die."

And also this one fits in here:
It is not the size that matters, it is what you do with it!


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« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2011, 10:08:22 AM »
I should add here that bees had been around for 150 million years!
 
(Latest research involving the last bee found, perfectly preserved in amber and if memory serves me right?  It was found in California.) 
Previous  proven estimate was about 120 milion years.

That is longer than any creature known to inhabit this globe.

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Wake up, wake up Trot. It is only nightmare!

Bees are the biggest insect group on earth. 20 000 different species.

Apis mellifera is one lowsy bug amoung others. It has never been in California before that when human brought it couple of hundreds years ago.

Honey bee was developed in Africa. Africa and South Ameriva continent devided long ago and there are many relative animals on boath continent like camel and lama. But honeybee is not among those animals.

so we see that Apis mellifera is a youn creature. Its 3 relatives are in East Asia. It tells that probably the origin of Apis family is in east.

They can navigate without mechanical or electronic aid so do all animals

They poses very complex language skills. -  all social creatures have communication system, complex or simple.

They can foretell the weather, without help of computers or other gizmo's. No animal have computers

They navigate by sun, moon and/or stars alone. so do other animals too

They can navigate under darkest clouds and fog, without any aid. what ?

They can tell colours/smells that human or other mammals can not.  so do many others animals. Bees have not radar like bats

They can measure, very accurately, without any aid at all.  (short distances) how do you know


They can measure, long distances, within the accuracy of a foot or two. how do you know?

They can comunicate in more ways than one.  above you have mentioned at least hundred ways

They can tell and recognize human faces. hah hah...



I suppose that earthworm can do same things.

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« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2011, 10:25:38 AM »
I do believe the comparisons were between humans and bees Finski, not any "other" animals, your age is showing Old man :-D

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« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2011, 11:42:05 AM »
I do believe the comparisons were between humans and bees Finski, not any "other" animals, your age is showing Old man :-D

thomas
Does it helps if I am again 15 years. The comparision would not be better.

Bees have not computers....reason is my age....

You must have short of jokes. I tell one because a human is clever

-  How do you get rif off dog poo on your lawn?

- make a fatty bouillon and pour it on the poo. Next dog comes and eates it.

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« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2011, 11:46:39 AM »
I do believe the comparisons were between humans and bees Finski, not any "other" animals, your age is showing Old man :-D

thomas

You know I am a master in science in biology. Don't teach old duc to swim.

One thing is missing fromt trots catalogue: bees could make computers if they would need them.

If they are really clever, they woud phone and buy a flying ticket and move to south for winter.

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« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2011, 11:54:23 AM »
I do believe the comparisons were between humans and bees Finski, not any "other" animals, your age is showing Old man :-D

thomas
Does it helps if I am again 15 years. The comparision would not be better.

Bees have not computers....reason is my age....

You must have short of jokes. I tell one because a human is clever

-  How do you get rif off dog poo on your lawn?

- make a fatty bouillon and pour it on the poo. Next dog comes and eates it.




That's exactly why I don't let dogs do the lick human thing

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« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2011, 11:55:39 AM »
BlueBee and Finski are thinking like brothers today.  I agree 100% with Finski

As for T Beek and Trots "smart" bees, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they’re moving little bits of U235 they’ve collected over the summer into a critical mass nuclear pile to keep warm  :-D

 

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