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« on: January 10, 2011, 08:16:34 AM »

Over the weekend, I heard a multitude of news anchors, pundits, and political hacks all claim the senseless shooting in Tuscon were for reasons to include: Insightful language from the Right (comes from both parties), the shooters associations with the tea party (No connection can be made), to reasons justifying gun control (guns don't kill people...people do!)

But I am blaming the President directly! That's right....Obama.

I never felt the way I do today towards any other president. I didn't like Clinton. But that was due to his policy. I did not like my own senator from Pennsylvania for many years. (Spector....the Dem in sheep's clothing.)

I have an overall negative feeling towards all politicians today. But it was always based on political differences.

Today, my feelings go deeper than that. I have been labeled, attacked, denigrated, and crapped on many times by the very words coming out of the president's own mouth. Not from political hacks and morons. but the president himself.

The president calling me the "enemy" is 2nd grade school antics. And yet, people allow this to happen, calling it just "words". Yes, and those words have impacts. And those words are inflammatory on many levels.

Yes, the shooter had some mental issues, and needed help. But I can not help feeling that this president we now have does indeed incite people to do things they may not of otherwise. We don't have a president for the people. We have a president that divides the people.

My hearts and prayers go out to the families and victims in the shooting.

I hope this does not happen again. But with the leaders we have today, I do not doubt that it will happen again. People are ticked for many reasons. And this president, instead of past presidents when divisions were based on political rhetoric, goes out of his was to attack other groups, time and time again.

We need real leadership. Not a president who calls citizens of this country "enemies".

He is my enemy. He is not my president. And I blame him for any future deaths. Let the blood be on his hands, when he incites hatred the way he does.

It is a shame this country can do no better at picking leaders than this president. And until we get better leadership, I see things only getting worse.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 09:54:16 AM »


iddee wrote;

"The president calling me the "enemy" is 2nd grade school antics. And yet, people allow this to happen, calling it just "words". Yes, and those words have impacts. And those words are inflammatory on many levels."


yet you support the killing of the gay spider.  yes, words have impacts!!  Just look a the number of recent deaths among teens and young adults do to words in support of killing the gay spider.

Can't  have it both ways!

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 10:16:11 AM »

Maybe you should learn to read. Iddee said no such thing.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 10:33:11 AM »

 Iddee getting the blame ! Dang whatcha  dun now Iddee ?
OHH I see that should have been Bjorn wrote  not Iddee.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 10:41:16 AM »

""Just look a the number of recent deaths among teens and young adults do to words in support of killing the gay spider.""

I think you have that backward. The killings are in response to the support of the queers. You didn't see it happening when they stayed in the closet.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 10:44:26 AM »

""Just look a the number of recent deaths among teens and young adults do to words in support of killing the gay spider.""

I think you have that backward. The killings are in response to the support of the queers. You didn't see it happening when they stayed in the closet.

iddee,

You never fail to amaze me.  rolleyes

And that is not in a good way.....  Sad

While I'm smart enough to acknowledge your position and know they do exist, I am amazed at your willingness with no couth on the matter. Gooks, queers, faggots,...are terms I normally only here from bitter old men. Oh wait....  rolleyes
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 10:53:42 AM »

And that's just the beginning of my vocabulary. As in your other post, some things can only go so far on a forum.

No, I'm not PC. I was here before the 1964 civil rights act and can compare the before and after. I don't like the after. It has destroyed America.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2011, 10:55:01 AM »

Yes....and I would hold out hope for the south to rise again....  rolleyes

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2011, 11:26:58 AM »

Figures....

You think the civil war was about the black race, and the civil rights act was, too.
Sorry to disappoint you, but neither were.

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »

Figures....

You think the civil war was about the black race, and the civil rights act was, too.
Sorry to disappoint you, but neither were.



No, I agree. But I know the mentality.....  Wink

FTR...I never mentioned the civil war or blacks.  rolleyes
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 12:11:12 PM »

It's easy to say anything without mentioning the subject directly.

No, the mentality here is not directed that way. It is directed at freebies for all people. Take away the initiative to work and anyone will become lazy.

Take away the stigma to any evil and it will no longer seem like evil.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 12:38:50 PM »

Yes....and I would hold out hope for the south to rise again....  rolleyes



Bjorn your statement here unless Im mistaking was in reference to The War Between the States.
If it was not then I humble ask you to explain your statement so as I may have a better
understanding of "the south to rise again".



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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 02:07:12 PM »

Yes....and I would hold out hope for the south to rise again....  rolleyes



Bjorn your statement here unless Im mistaking was in reference to The War Between the States.
If it was not then I humble ask you to explain your statement so as I may have a better
understanding of "the south to rise again".


I was not trying to define mine, your, or anyone Else's definition of what they may, or may not, feel is the meaning to everyone's definition in regards to "the south will rise again".

I once lived in the south. Some things went hand in hand, regardless of the nitpicking and baiting me into some narrow definition of only I'm sure will be your kneejerk reaction of what some often repeated slogan actually could mean in your mind.

I know this statement used just yesterday on another thread..."against diversity, for ethical separation, and the right to tell off colored jokes" is something I encountered by certain groups while living in the south. It usually was from those I would call racist, bigoted, and ignorant. Calls for the south to rise again (usually at certain concerts while consuming large amounts of beer), flying the rebel flag, and language such as bleep, gook, and faggot were common, are among the other things.

I half jokingly made the "south will rise again" to take a jab. As for what your definition is, I could care less. Just as I could less about worrying what goes on in other people's bedrooms, or the desire to run around calling people "evil" based on their preferences (or my religion), or anything else. But I do take offense when people need to step off their own property, and feel the need to shout these accusations, claims, positions, and viewpoints.

I think anyone calling people queers on a website forum, is crossing the line. It is not my site. But I hope nobody would be offended by my commenting on such statements. I'm certainly not doing anything more offensive than what I am countering with my own comments.

Of course I would find it quite normal for you to see things different in your world, through your eyes, as compared to mine. The fact that one person has no problem using the term "queer" on a forum, only proves this as a reality in everyday life. Of course, my position is just a tad less inflammatory as the other side.

Now go ahead...and do what you really want to do. Teach my what your definition of "the south will rise again" means to you. Like that little detail really matters.  rolleyes

Could it be.....a rallying cry for Confederate enthusiasts. a slogan claiming "southern pride". a call to distinguish the difference between states rights as opposed to slave rights. Or is it a redneck saying that is simply used to denigrate others. I've listed four for you. Will you go with one of these, or another just as correct definition.  rolleyes

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 02:28:35 PM »

""It usually was from those I would call racist, bigoted, and ignorant.""

a total untruth. The truth is that is what a narrow minded person perceives. It could not get any farther from the truth.

"or the desire to run around calling people "evil" based on their preferences (or my religion), or anything else."

Right. Don't dare to call any one evil, but racist, bigoted, and ignorant is totally acceptable. Sorta one sided there, aren't we?

"But I do take offense when people need to step off their own property, and feel the need to shout these accusations, claims, positions, and viewpoints."

It seems you have no problem shouting yours in the same format. More one sidedness.

"I think anyone calling people queers on a website forum, is crossing the line."

As above, so racist, bigoted, and ignorant is totally acceptable, but queer, meaning odd or out of the ordinary, isn't. Keep going, you are showing the truth without meaning to.

Queer is a tad bit more than inflammatory than racist, bigot, and ignorant? Yeah, right...

But I still love you, even with all your fallacies and shortcomings....
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 03:04:03 PM »

I half jokingly made the "south will rise again" to take a jab.
That all you had to say cuzz!!!


 As for what your definition is, I could care less.
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2011, 04:50:59 PM »

I agree with BJ, this bunch in the white house has done more to polarize this country, than any event  or faction in my memory
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2011, 12:25:26 AM »

... The president calling me the "enemy" is 2nd grade school antics.

Now now, go lightly on my POTUS will you?  He is the best President I can remember.  Not even Harry Truman, bless his little pea picking heart, knew how to elect Republicans as well as Barry can. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2011, 01:48:18 AM »

... I'm not PC... It has destroyed America.

PC theory is nothing more than International Socialism, aka Communism. 

PC theory destroyed the underpinning of the USSR.  Now even Russia itself is racked by ethnic unrest and violence.  The Russians feel they have become strangers, pariahs in their own land.  This after the USSR dissolved itself into 15 separate nations with perhaps another 40 or more peoples waiting their turn to flee.   Believe me, the Russia of the future, isn’t going to be as pretty as was the Russia of the past, and the Russia of the past was none to lovely herself.

A book titled "The New Russians" was written 20 years ago about the run up to the break up of the Soviet Union.  This book shows that the USSR broke apart in large part because of ethnic tensions and rivalries between Russians and other ethnic minorities.  This is also the reason that so many new nations have been created world wide in the past 30 or so years. 

Take my word for it, before it is all said and done, Political Correctness will drive nations to commit crimes that will make Hitler's and Stalin's terrible crimes look like an international parking ticket by comparison.  Remember, Obama’s pledge, “Never allow a good crisis to go to waste.”  What Barry is attempting to do is to ride a tiger, I ask you who will wind up on top and who will wind up inside, Obama or the tiger?
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2011, 12:17:06 PM »

... The president calling me the "enemy" is 2nd grade school antics.

Now now, go lightly on my POTUS will you?  He is the best President I can remember.  Not even Harry Truman, bless his little pea picking heart, knew how to elect Republicans as well as Barry can. 

 Wink
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