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Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« on: December 10, 2010, 06:47:56 PM »
I was reading Brian's Turkey post and remembered reading a book (based on scientific facts although fiction) it dealt with a man's last 4 minutes of cognitive thought.

He had been hung in one life and decapitated in another - each death left his head intact, but his body dead and as he slowly faded from no oxygen, his brain still thought and rationalized and slowly he went from thought to a dream like state until nothingness.

It was interesting reading his observations, only things relative to his head could he relate to, he could hear and understand sound and speech and felt trapped like no other claustrophobic you can imagine as he waited for real death to finally come.

I know there have been extreme cases of hypothermia where drowning victims went without oxygen for 30 minutes or more, but the cold slowed down everything and often minimal damage was done.

I said "based on scientific facts" and according to the author, brainwaves continued even though the body was severed in animal testing, he fictionalized accounts of dying and said (in his opinion) the only 3 ways to die immediately are 1) having your head smashed 2) electrocution and 3 a good head-shot that disrupted electronic signals within the brain.

I know I've mentioned Zombie stories where they could "think" during the time of dying and oxygen starvation (nasty Zombies hell-bent on shooting back at you, jumping in a car and running over you, etc..) I just wonder, during heart attack/death, do you lie there thinking "well this sucks" for 4 minutes trying to communicate and having to come to the realization that you are mere minutes from death, or is it over and done with then???

And if you DID have conscious thought for that short time, would you spend it on Fox-hole religion if you are a non believer? Or just prayer that if this IS your time and please open the door cause I'm coming home?

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 10:03:47 PM »
there are well documented surgical accounts that will make you scream in your head just thinking about them.

2 part anethetics...part 1 keeps you from moving (or screaming) works fine.....part 2 that is supposed to keep you from feeling anything fails.  i know some awful machine shop accident stories....but this kind of "silent scream" takes the cake.

at least if your head is chopped off you know you only have a short time (even if it feels long).

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 11:02:48 PM »
OK, ya'll are creeping me out!

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 06:28:56 PM »
I dont think electrocution is a quick way to exit  :shock:
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 06:47:14 PM »
I think electrocution is the FASTEST WAY to kill the brain, short circuiting everything out at the first jolt. Is it ugly and does the body look like it is going through Hell, definitely. But I think I'd take lethal injection (if it is just like anesthesia) but electrocution would be up toward the top, especially over firing squad, hanging and beheading - just in case we do hang around a bit.

The last quicky option was having your head squooshed, which might be good for you but the loved ones might have issues with it. I've never had a suicidal thought, but I did fantasize once on a classic way to off one's self: ducktape  two grenades to your head, climb a 200 foot water tower, jump and pull the pins - going out like fireworks on the way down. Related to this topic, that might not be a bad way to go  :cheer:
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 11:27:53 PM »
Anything removing your head (to me) would be a very quick way to go.  Anything that just stops the heart is slow because your brain is working until it runs out of oxygen.  As an electrician, I don't think that is a quick way to go.   Whether it stops your heart or burns your body up, it still takes a little bit of time to die. 

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 01:32:33 AM »
How long has it been since you climbed a 200' tower????  if your not used to it... its not real plesant.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 07:07:48 AM »
I hate to admit I've had a couple  jolts - 120, 240, 277, and caught a backsurge from a lightning strike (just a little tickle, but unmeasured - I knew I shoulda stopped messing with that wire with the storm getting so close, non fatal, obviously) - nuff said on that - the funny thing was I've had a LOT more pain from a hammered finger than the full-body punch from an electric shock. I think electrocution would be one of those things where the pain doesn't kick in right away, maybe enough time to leave your body for good before you know what hit you.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 09:26:49 AM »


  I wonder what Saddam was thinking those last four minutes? Hope he was facing east.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 08:12:31 PM »
  I gotta say, you guys are sick!

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2011, 11:13:14 PM »
Why.... thank you..... thank you very much!
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 11:56:05 PM »
Beemaster I gotta say I disagree. I saw on more than one occasion people get chocked until passing out. When they came too the last thing they remember is the moment just before losing conscenus, then nothing until the blood flows again. Also I saw an Iraqi get forearm slapped in the neck he was hit so hard it interupted the flow of blood instantly knocking him out. He was down for near 10 mins when he came too he started his conversation at the same point he was at when he got popped even though ten mins had passed. So, that leads me to believe the human brain stops recording, if you will, once the flow is interupted. Therefore I believe if your head was removed from your body the brain would not see for 4 seconds. Or even think of it this way you work in an industrial setting you must have been briefed at one time or another about the dangers of nitrogen whereas a breath of 100% N2 will instantly knock you unconscious because it removes the O2 to the brain instantly.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 06:36:19 AM »
Whew! Really got me thinking here. You know, it brings the end closer to view, up close and personal to the point that I could almost smell the burning hair.  I think I prefur death by donut. Drowning in jelly.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 04:04:51 PM »
Ive been hit with 50,000 volts on a couple different occasions. Of course it was with a Taser and the amps are almost non-existent. We had to get zapped with it before we could carry one. It was the longest 5 seconds I can ever remember.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 02:24:22 AM »
I stuck a 9 volt battery to my tongue once. :mrgreen:
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 02:26:35 AM »
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2011, 02:37:24 AM »
Actually I'm a bit shocked we haven't heard from Brian D. Bray on this one.

I stick with the idea that anything that destroys the brain (whether a hand granade or 50 thousand volts with tons of amps behind it to short the brain out until cooked) as well as lethal injection works for me.

I'd rather not be decapitated in an auto accident and have my head watching as my body slumps over the wheel, until finally oxygen starved braincells just go psychedelic and fade to black, peaceful eternity.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2011, 10:58:37 PM »
There is some great documentation on this from the French revolution. As these two guys were preparing to be decapitated by the guillotine, they had this very conversation. They decided that whom ever got it first, he would start blinking his eyes as long as he could. They say that he blinked his eyes 7 or eight times. Then there was one lady that was decapitated and as the executioner held her head up for all to see, and the crown began cheering and jerring louder, she got an angry look on her face and blushed so that everyone in the crown noticed.
They say that her expression lasted about 5 or 6 seconds, and then her face went deathly blank.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 12:27:35 AM »
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2011, 09:28:02 AM »
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2011, 02:28:11 AM »
Actually I'm a bit shocked we haven't heard from Brian D. Bray on this one.

I stick with the idea that anything that destroys the brain (whether a hand granade or 50 thousand volts with tons of amps behind it to short the brain out until cooked) as well as lethal injection works for me.

I'd rather not be decapitated in an auto accident and have my head watching as my body slumps over the wheel, until finally oxygen starved braincells just go psychedelic and fade to black, peaceful eternity.

Not to disappoint:

At the point in time that the spirit realizes that the body is dead, from whatever cause, it detaches itself from the body suspending all physical input or thought.  Now I admit you either have to die, ask someone who has died, or reach the point of deciding whether or not to die, my case, about when the spirit (conscientiousness)  leaves the body.  Regardless of how great the point was prior to death the instant of departing from the body is painless and blissful.  Then some of get asked if we want to go back, ie the body is still in survivable condition.  The quantitative point is how survivable, sometimes a full recovery results and all too often one or more disabilities accompany the return to the physical world as we know it (my case), but we know all that at the time we make the decision even if we don't recall it afterward.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2011, 12:03:35 PM »
 I had seen a video of scientific work that was done in the 50's in Russia where they could dismember the head of a dog surgically and place a machine on him connected to his arteries that could supply oxygenated blood to his head. the dogs were able to stay concient for hours. When I saw that vid I thought "man, that would suck" because you wouldn't be able to feel anything below the neck, obviously, and not just locomotion of body parts but also a pumping heart beat or breathing with lungs. In that vid, the dog looked like he was thinking the same thing, waiting out the enivitable blackness to come.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2011, 12:05:49 PM »
I don't want to seem sick, but find those videos for us to see.   I don't guess they are on youtube.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2011, 06:49:30 PM »
According to Brian's description it doesn't seem to matter how you die if your spirit disconnects. I happen to believe that our sense of consciousness lives on after our physical bodies cease to function, I guess I'm speaking of our spirit so I am in agreement with Brian.   

At some point we all have to accept that death is inevitable, some so it seems never get to this point and either try and cheat death or live in denial.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2011, 06:55:58 PM »
Jp, you might be able to live forever if you take enough stings. I think you should give it a try and report back (maybe in our next life) :-D

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2011, 07:19:50 PM »
Yep, that was the plan Scott.  :-D


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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2011, 03:18:25 AM »
That video was on youtube, but beware, it is graphic.
I'm still new on the forum so I can't put on links, but do a search on youtube, search the phrase below. first vid should be it. creepy. gives me the eeby geebies.
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2011, 09:12:01 AM »
I tried but could not watch the video VERY disturbing now I'll have nightmare's.  :'( :-x
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2011, 09:36:55 AM »
I watched enough of it.  I call it bull.   Copied from wiki "Since its Prelinger Archives release, the film has provoked much controversy. Ken Smith, author of Mental Hygiene: Classroom Films 1945 - 1970, believes the film is fake. He mentions, among other things, that the decapitated dog scene shown in the film could have been produced with simple special effects."

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2011, 06:49:55 PM »
I think electrocution is the FASTEST WAY to kill the brain, short circuiting everything out at the first jolt. Is it ugly and does the body look like it is going through Hell, definitely. But I think I'd take lethal injection (if it is just like anesthesia) but electrocution would be up toward the top, especially over firing squad, hanging and beheading - just in case we do hang around a bit.

The last quicky option was having your head squooshed, which might be good for you but the loved ones might have issues with it. I've never had a suicidal thought, but I did fantasize once on a classic way to off one's self: ducktape  two grenades to your head, climb a 200 foot water tower, jump and pull the pins - going out like fireworks on the way down. Related to this topic, that might not be a bad way to go  :cheer:

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2011, 10:29:38 PM »
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2011, 05:21:22 PM »
Humanbeeing: I also remember reading about the guillotine ( Does everybody go through a ghoulish period as a kid?*). What I remember was that; the executioner was curious, a victim agreed to try to blink, when the executioner retrieved the head from the basket, the head blinked several times.
The blushing part ( IMO is impossible): how can the blood vessels under the skin dilate and fill with blood?

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2011, 08:21:05 PM »
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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
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I think electrocution is the FASTEST WAY to kill the brain, short circuiting everything out at the first jolt. Is it ugly and does the body look like it is going through Hell, definitely. But I think I'd take lethal injection (if it is just like anesthesia) but electrocution would be up toward the top, especially over firing squad, hanging and beheading - just in case we do hang around a bit.

The last quicky option was having your head squooshed, which might be good for you but the loved ones might have issues with it. I've never had a suicidal thought, but I did fantasize once on a classic way to off one's self: ducktape  two grenades to your head, climb a 200 foot water tower, jump and pull the pins - going out like fireworks on the way down. Related to this topic, that might not be a bad way to go  :cheer:

I'd go with ahttp://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging2.html#long long-drop hanging. By http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_PierrepointAlbert Pierrepoint , the undisputed expert, and holding the never to be broken record of thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Inglis fastest hanging - 7 seconds from leaving the condemned cell to hitting the bottom of the drop.

Lethal injection is inhumane - might not hurt much (although who knows?) but it takes too much mucking about with the procedure, far too long - must be very traumatic.

Give me the 7 seconds hanging anyday. No time to be even scared much.

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2014, 09:36:58 AM »
I plan not to. just take it as it comes.

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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2014, 04:04:12 PM »
OK, ya'll are creeping me out!

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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2015, 02:21:53 AM »
I had seen a video of scientific work that was done in the 50's in Russia where they could dismember the head of a dog surgically and place a machine on him connected to his arteries that could supply oxygenated blood to his head. the dogs were able to stay concient for hours. When I saw that vid I thought "man, that would suck" because you wouldn't be able to feel anything below the neck, obviously, and not just locomotion of body parts but also a pumping heart beat or breathing with lungs. In that vid, the dog looked like he was thinking the same thing, waiting out the enivitable blackness to come.

It would be a bugger if you got an itchy nose.

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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2015, 02:25:39 AM »

Jesus went to the garden KNOWING what was to happen. I could not do that.
Thank you Jesus!

Some people say he did but if you believe a 2000+ year old book, based on hearsay fairy tales by a bunch of aging cult members, with who knows how many different translations then you'll believe anything.

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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2015, 09:14:54 AM »
OK then why are Muslims so set on destroying Christians? It is because they have something! otherwise it would not matter at all

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2015, 10:17:54 AM »
Ha! Richard - Tis better to believe something, than to believe nothing.

Pick three translations, your choice(at least one should be a study version), read them cover to cover and then report back what you believe or don't believe. There is a reason The Book is still around after all these years... and it just could be that there's Hope for you while your head is still attached!   :cheesy:

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Re: Cognitive 4 minutes after decapitated??
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2015, 05:17:38 PM »
I have read all these posts at least twice thought youall were sick. I now know I am

again ifnone beleves in nothing why hate?

 

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