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« on: November 21, 2010, 12:35:52 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 01:18:23 PM »

If I ever have a need to fly and this is still going on, I think I will wear a snuggy with nothing on under it to the air port. When they ask to scan or pat me down I will raise it up and say "You can see I am hiding nothing on my person. No reason for groping me."

Wonder how many little old ladies will faint.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 03:31:52 PM »

I am old enough that I don't care anymore about the cumulative effects of the xrays, and I don't care if some person sitting in a room far way sees me naked. Oops did I say that? shocked shocked
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 04:45:21 PM »

OK, annette, we will hold you to that. All us men outside Calif. will expect pics via PM tonight.  evil   evil
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 04:50:40 PM »

OK, annette, we will hold you to that. All us men outside Calif. will expect pics via PM tonight.  evil   evil


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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 04:55:56 PM »

OK. I kept waiting and waiting for the groping part...guess I'll have to grope for myself!

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 05:03:48 PM »

i am less annoyed about it being done, as i am about the way it's being done.  the "shut up and take it" is a bit over the top.  also, having flown through many other countries i know that it can be done in a better and more effective way.

i also question the need for TSA in the fist place and the way that agents are selected.  when TSA was started the screening process was 3 days long with candidates washed out along the way.  it was quite rigorous and included physical, mental, and job specific testing, along with FBI background checks, etc.  i went through it.  
by the next year, all of the old testing had been thrown out along with the applications of those who had passed the tests and not yet been hired, and the testing consisted of one day of job specific testing and the usual GS screening.  while i can not say why this was done, i speculate, having seen who made it to the last cut in the original testing, that the final candidates were not "diverse" enough.  in the end, most were former military, under the age of 50 (most under 40) and while not all were white, most were.  i might understand tossing the rigorous original screening because of cost, but that would not explain tossing the already qualified candidate and starting over.

there is no reason to have this government agency.  what needs to be done can be done by private companies.  they would still have to hire people who met the standards and they would still have to do the same checks.  the difference is that a private company would care about customer service, while government employees do not need to worry about it.
there are some fine people who work for TSA.  there are some hitlerish dogs.  the second taint the entire agency and not much can be done about them unless they are caught breaking the law.  customer satisfaction does not figure into it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 06:18:47 PM »

So Kathy, are you saying that you've actually been trained in groping?? grin

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 06:34:18 PM »

Can you ask for the happy ending during the scan?
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 06:43:53 PM »

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yes....although TSA had nothing to do with it   evil
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 11:25:08 PM »

OK, annette, we will hold you to that. All us men outside Calif. will expect pics via PM tonight.  evil   evil

Yiks, maybe I am more comfortable with the groping!!  grin
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2010, 01:40:06 AM »

I guess it is time to break out the Natures weapons: Not shower for three days wear a diaper and poop and pee a lot, with just a good 3 day old stank going on, then insist on being patted down REAL GOOD!!! a few hundred plane loads of that and we might see changed - besides the air masks deploying automatically - lol.

I think loading the diapers is the gift those protesting the machine should give the TSA since they will have to be patted down one by one! I read the Pilots association won their protest so that NO pilot or crew member be subjected to machine scans or searches. Gee, that's not a weak link the chain - huh?

I have a few questions though: if you choose the scanner, do you still need to take your shoes off??? I have heard that "scanner readers" can tell if a woman has had a C-Section, abortion and obviously boob job, or if men have had a circumcision - I wonder where the ACLU (who should battle it out with PITA until the last person stands holding the winner flag - they both can rot for being extremists) where is the ACLU in all this. Of course the ACLU is known for never being on the correct side of an issue, no reason to start now.

The part that sickens me is that Muslim women are exempt (or argue that they should be) because it is against their religious rights?!, I want to know which religion condones either of these practices.

I won't even go to the joke about "Vatican Airlines declining the use of scanners on young boys because it could make them sterile, but assures the TSA that they will perform a thorough pat down search" but forgive me for stereotyping anyone, but HELLO... isn't there ANY common sense used any more. Do we seriously live in a world where Muslim women who cover 98% of their bodies are allowed to board planes without having to be searched like everyone else? Sorry, call me a bigot or racist, but we have too much to lose when our own government bends over backwards and open a loophole that leads us toward another 9-11.

The last big threat I heard (which lead up to the NO LIQUIDS OVER 4 OUNCES RULE was Terrorist women having breast implants with a different chemical in each breast, which when mixed (by piercing or smashed until the implants explode) either create a bomb or a chemical weapon that could take down a plane. Whether this is true or folk lore, isn't it something that should not be overlooked because of "claimed" regions reasons?

The evolution of thought leads to the day we are forced to fly naked, sitting on a portapotty modified airplane seat, handcuffed and ankle braceletted together, while nerve toxins automatically spray in our face if we attempt to leave the seat we are shackled to. And that's the domestic flights, toss in waterboarding and implanted stun gun needles on the International ones.

Of course, Obama say "We currently have no better way!" so it must be true. I can't wait until 2012 when the moving van pulls up to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and ships him back to Kenya where he comes from!

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 07:22:18 AM »

If I wish to fly my choices are either another dose of X ray or being patted down.

I think the entire airport security thingee is fairly ridiculous from purely strategic reasons.  it does suggest that you implant a bit of fear, fan the fear a bit and folks will fairly quickly toss out good sense and some right with little resistance.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 07:41:18 AM »

Can you ask for the happy ending during the scan?
If I wind up compelled to fly I am SO using that line
I think I would rather see them use the Israeli method, but really I think it will create a clear demonstration of the supply/demand curve - nevermind indignant boycotts and other 'political action' people will just find other modes of transport  unless they have to fly.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 08:45:19 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 08:53:47 AM »

the Israeli way might be to slow for the number of flights we have.  the way the Brits do it is pretty good.  everyone goes through the inital screening.  after that, they have security people who do one on one interviews with selected people right there in the waiting area.  they sit down with them and just have a chat smiley .  it's all very polite, low key, and everyone knows what's going on.  yes, they do profile according to whatever intel they are currently working.  

i heard someone say that if we profiled, the enemy would change his profile.  perhaps true.  however, if you don't, you will end up hurting the general population and interfering with commerce.  profiling, like all other intel tools,  should not be fixed.  your profile is as fluid as the intel you base it on.  
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 09:17:23 AM »

I think the brits took their method right out of the israeli book, with a (more modest?) approach to physical screeening. I've flown enough, even the "you've been randomly selected because you're a last minute flyer." - yeah ok no problem. I think TSA, being a quasi government agency, must consider the 4th amendment. "they" keep using these excuses same as random stops on the roads; basically saying that by going on the road and signing for the driver's license you forfeit your rights under the 4th amendment, and without a license - you're inviolation of the law.
There are constitutional rights, and there's a government endlessly trying to do away with them. TSA's argument is that by buying a ticket, you forfeit your rights to a quasi-federal agency who is actually legally bound to obey the constitution.
There's consenting to having your bag searched for convenience (because of what happens if you tell them to stuff it) and then there is this (which I do believe will be measured out in raw capitalism - people who can find an alternative - will.)
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2010, 09:37:05 AM »

Jerry, I hear a cruise ship to Hawaii can be the best vacation ever.

Way too slow, and I might get sea sick,
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2010, 09:51:59 AM »

Yes, My husband and I were in Israel 2 years ago and we were so impressed with the security over there. When boarding the planes, they spoke to us and asked us many questions, in a very nice polite way. Then they brought in another person who further asked us questions. Of course, as many have said, Israel is a small country, while we are very big and cannot do this sort of screening.
But something has to change over the stupid practices we have right now.

Why they stole Brendan's honey for no good reason!!

Last time I flew, they let a very beautiful, full breasted women keep her very large bottle of lotion instead of taking it away. I saw them whisper to her to be careful next time and let her go through. The only reason I did not protest was because I was so exhausted and did not want to make big trouble that probably would have held us up or even could have caused us to miss a flight. I was so angry about this.

Also a friend of mine, arrived at his hotel only to find out that he had placed his razor blades in his carry on by mistake, and they never even found them.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 10:36:55 AM »

Here is a scenario that really could happen. With the early arrivals to the airports so they can get to the plane on time, there will be a huge gathering of people.

And in there scattered about are a few suicide bombers. The disaster will possibly happen on the ground now, instead of in the air.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 03:03:53 PM »

I am a frequent air traveler but have not had my weapon of mass destruction padded down yet. 

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This was a topic of conversation I had recently with some co-workers.  With the security lines increasing and people bogged together and all carrying bags it would be no problem for a group of terrorist to walk in with a sack full of grenades,  ammo and Mac 10's and really put a hurting on people at the security check points. Most large passenger jets carry about 300 people compared to the several thousand clogged into a major airport security checkpoint.  Seems to me a metal detector should be at the entrance of the airport first and foremost.

Unfortunately we are paralyzed by political correctness.  For my money all Muslim men between the ages of 13 and 90 should be inspected and scrutinized.  It's not profiling it's common sense.  Considering that radical Muslim men would consider this homosexual behavior if padded down by a male and extremely unacceptable if done by an infidel woman.  Also consider that if a  radical Muslim's woman was felt up by an infidel they would be stoned.

I actually don't mind the scanners or the possibility of being felt up as I think it does actually make air travel safer both literally and as a deterrent to radical Muslims.   Know your enemy.  If all enhanced searches were conducted by "Christian" females it would work better as a Muslim deterrent and meet far less resistance from us law abiding folk.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2010, 04:33:24 PM »

I've been following this topic on another forum.. A lot of people feel that they should not have to pay with their private parts for the privilege of flying.
And there is a lot of yuck all over with the screenings and, er, freedom pats as the probing of sexual areas is becoming nicknamed as.
Unfortunately, wearing a snuggie or a icky diaper might not help.. A woman at one airport was taken aside for wearing a longer skirt, and privately forced to remove her skirt, put on a paper one, and then undergo the full patdown procedure. A man at another airport had his urostomy bag popped while being searched, and had to track through the airport soaked in his own urine. Both an embarrassment and a possible hazard to other people under the logic of medical practices with how to deal with bodily fluids. A mother in another airport was startled when a male agent stuffed his hand right into her infant daughters diaper and felt around for terrorist weapons. Another woman, again in a skirt, was lifted up onto her toes such was the force of the hand used to examine her crotch. Another woman was forced to take out her prosthetic breast to prove it wasn't a terrorist weapon.

Interesting, a lot of the new procedures being stepped up is blamed on the underwear bomber. Oddly enough, that guy was able to breeze though with no passport, and bought his flight ticket with cash- in another country days before. His dad had narked him out to the CIA as being a dangerous guy (dad did not know about the bombing, just how nutty his kid was) and the guy was put on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Enviroment, but oops, didn't make it onto the FBI's Terrorist Screening Database. At one point, the state department wanted to revoke the guys visa, but intelligence say no because they thought the guy could be a useful little fish.
So.. the government agencies totally screwing up on their end and not doing their job well results in a CMA that somehow it was the fault of insufficient screening of passengers at the gate. Now everyone innocent or not has to pay for the luxury of flying with their private parts. What a crock of BS

All of this extra screening slow down does cause concern that an airport is going to be more likely to be attacked than the planes. There is also concern that with a whole bunch of people choosing driving over flying because of this that the road incidents are going to rise. Or that terrorists will concentrate more on inside security weaknesses via third party contacts. Or just say screw the public airports, it's easier to nail the private strips, and that way everyone can have their own plane to use as a suicide bomb.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2010, 08:13:12 PM »

If this stuff was going on under Bush, the left would be screaming from the hilltops. Somehow, the vast majority of the left as well as the mainstream media is just fine with this.

I just saw a video of a 3 year old being patted down and his "junk" being searched.

I have a 5 and a 7 year old girl. I would be highly upset to put them through this.

In the end.....the terrorists DID win.
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I just saw a video of a 3 year old being patted down and his "junk" being searched.

I have a 5 and a 7 year old girl. I would be highly upset to put them through this.

In the end.....the terrorists DID win.

The terrorist won the second the Patriot Act was signed.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2010, 11:24:06 AM »

don't want to wander to much OT, but i always find the argument against the patriot act interesting.  almost everything in it was already available to other agencies. DEA, and those tracking organized crime.  there was not much in the way of expansion of powers except to the extent that updating for new technology gave opportunity for more info gathering and tracking.

the argument against these tools was never made when they were given to other agencies.  was it political, or was it just because most of us never expect to interact with the DEA or those after organized crime?

understand that i am not in favor of most of these tools, but to be fair, they either need to be take from all or allowed for the tracking of terrorists.  unlike TSA and their searches which have never caught anyone, the tools in the patriot act have allowed tracing and shutting down of sources of money, tracking and stopping cells in country, etc. 

we could very well get rid of all these agencies and tools.  fine with me.  i just think that people need to understand what they protest.  seems most don't really know much about what government agencies are doing.
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