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« on: November 04, 2010, 09:52:16 AM »

So who would you like to see as the GOP nominee?

My thoughts are as follows.....

Sarah Palin. No. Although I have great respect for her, I think she would be divisive. I think what she has done for the tea party is tremendous. I think she is a great promoter and can probably be very effective as the next RNC chairman.

Newt Gingrich. No. To much baggage and to divisive. I actually love the guy. But I don't think this would be a good selection.

Huckabee. No. A man of much respect and knowledge. I think he is dead on in many thoughts. But do we need a baptist minister in the white house?

McCain or any other old long lived politician....No.


Here are a few I would like to consider....

NJ Gov Christy. Like his passion and path to common sense. I would support him.

Bobby Jindal. His policies are spot on and I could also vote for him.

Mike Pence. Very respected and liked.

I think the republicans would be better with fresh blood, a younger candidate, and one with passion and an independent new voice. There are several up and coming republicans that I think will quickly get a shot in the near future, but perhaps not this time around.


Interesting to ponder, but I'm not sold....

D. Trump. May have the guts to actually do what is right and run the country as a business.

I'm sure I missed a few good possible candidates. So who do you think would be a possibility, or what do you think of those mentioned?

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 09:55:33 AM »

i have been pretty impressed with Eric Cantor so far.  we should probably see how some of these new gov's do also.  there are a couple who look like they might be something. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2010, 10:58:36 AM »

Anyone that would be a great choice is too smart to take the job.   Why when they can make it in the private sector?  I don't know if there is one out there in office that I like.
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Why when they can make it in the private sector?

This is my concern...

Why must it be about money?  Why isn't a person doing it for the good of the community, seeing it as a "civic duty" good enough?

I'm not picking on you Allen, the idea of money holding back good people is very common.

I question though how did it come about that politicians have made the government service environment so 'negative' that it isn't palatable to someone who is seen as successful or having the skills to be a good elected representative.

I guess I am just 'wishing' out loud for the time that someone would take elected office because they beleive in doing a good job instead of it being an opportunity to make money  and gain power.

I don't see anyone in any political party who fits that description.   I just see more and more criminal liars and people seeking to take advantage of their office for personal gain.

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 11:41:05 AM »

i think a lot of people do run for the good of the country, state, whatever.  it's probably more true at the state level.  look at some of the people who won this time.  they all have given up the life they had, and some gave up some pretty good careers, to run.  the real question is: are they incorruptible? seems many who "serve" are not.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 12:09:57 PM »

its not just the money issue.
I think more do not run because of the attacks the media will throw out. Lets just pick a former CEO everyone knows Bill Gates
most people like him he gives to charity maybe a little to liberal for me but for the sake of argument lets say he wins the Rep nomination to run against obama

First thing will be the media investigations into everything his company did while he was ceo. Next the media and left will go after his personal history, so he will end up having to answer to everything he ever did wrong in his life maybe these are indiscretions his family might not know about and he would rather keep it that way. Clinton had to answer about smoking a joint in college twenty thirty years ago. Bush had to answer to  a DWI when he was in school also 30 years ago neither incident had anything to do with the run for office. Except to hurt their ratings versus a challenger, personal attacks pure and simple. Everyone did something stupid in the past

Finally if elected he makes 400k versus the millions he would normally make

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 12:29:23 PM »


Finally if elected he makes 400k versus the millions he would normally make

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Yeah, but show me a recent, past president that has ever left office in worse financial shape than before he entered.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2010, 12:37:10 PM »

not saying they would be worse off, if anything look at the perks they get. Lifetime of servan..... errrr secret service agents, pension ,book deals, public speaking yeah they do ok. I think Jimmy Carter came out of office broke but not sure, I heard something to that effect somewhere

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2010, 12:40:23 PM »

Ron Paul for pres...the most consistent congressman in office...his voting record, his platform, and actions all speak for themselves.  if you don't know much about this guy then check him out if you have a moment. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2010, 01:57:58 PM »

Obama never really made big money until he got into the Senate and started writing books.   Clinton never made money until he got out of office and got his lawyers paid off.   I think the 2 Bushes had money going into office.   And Reagan was going down hill before he got out of office.

Powell got out of politics and is making the dough now giving speeches.   I would have liked to see him run.  Newt is writing books as fast as they can print them.  And he knows his stuff and could run a country.  The list can just go on....
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2010, 04:44:52 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2010, 06:37:21 PM »

I can only hope whoever comes forward isn't completely full of the "political correctness" crap. We need someone who will call a rat a rat and not a cute little mouse.
 I think we need to raise kids with thicker skin to better prepare them for real life when they grow up and we need someone to stand up and say the nanny state is over. We can not afford all these feel goodisms any more.
  Instead of pandering to every little wimper,we need to start telling people to suck it up and move on.
 I am far from the most eloquent writer, but I believe I get my point across.
Does any one else feel this way or am I sailing alone in the ocean?
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2010, 07:21:24 PM »

Your not alone. I would like to see a strong charactered person like the stereotypical John Wayne role that said whatever came to mind at the moment. Something like when Cheney told Leahy to go ---- himself. LOL
Someone like that would be a very refreshing breath of fresh air to hear it straight from the gut for once rather than the measured words of a bottom feeder. Unfortunately someone like that would be branded the worst sort of bigot, racist, chauvanist, homophobe, islamaphobe and definitions yet to be created by the real haters in the media.
The best examples in recent memory were Zell Miller of Georgia, wasn't it wonderful to see him challenge Chris Matthews to a duel on national TV, and Ronaldus Magnus who could turn a phrase or tell a joke that hit directly home.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2010, 07:30:26 PM »

problem is that as much as we say we want non-political types, we don't aways seem willing to vote for them.  they next president is still going to have a lot of this mess to deal with and  he/she is going to have to be a really strong leader with a very clear vision of how to (continue) to get us back on track. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2010, 08:49:11 PM »



  My personal choice would be Mitt Romney. He has alot of executive experience in the private sector and  was a governor. I've always been impressed with him. We need a President that knows how manage something.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2010, 08:58:17 PM »

Ever heard of Romneycare? The health care boondoggle that Romney saddled Mass. with, that's bankrupting the state, just like Obamacare is going to do to all of us.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2010, 08:59:26 PM »

I would be the fool to vote for a straight talker. Just imagine how much time there would be to talk about real issues if a false claim (Like the "taliban[ray?] ads) were met with gems like "They're full of crap." - and then on to the issues.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2010, 09:36:07 AM »

The problem is that by the time they have made it to the top, the candidate has already promised every special interest group that they have came in contact with the moon. I'm all for another Teddy Roosevelt but it would be terribly hard for one to come out now I think.
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2010, 09:47:16 AM »

so none of you think ron paul is a viable choice?  just another whacko? 

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2010, 10:40:05 AM »

Governor Christy from NJ is as close to a straight talker as I have seen in a while.  He doesn't seem to be pulling too many punches and is actually making progress with budget, unions, etc.

The problem with higher political office is that by the time someone has been around long enough to be considered for president, he/she has pretty much learned to speak out of both sides of their mouths.  If you listen to what Obama says, I usually agree with a lot of it. (aren't speech writers/teleprompters great?)  but when you look at what he has done, it is a disaster.

Reagan was good because he knew what he believed and had a solid political philosophy to steer the ship of state from.  You didn't have to guess where he stood or what he was going to do next.

....And Ron Paul isn't a wacko.  He just doesn't nuance every statement so people hearing it can read whatever they want into it the way Obama does.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2010, 11:28:44 AM »

Ron Paul is not a nut, but he's have no chance to get any of his platform done through any congress.  at least where he is, he can influence what is done.  his current push to audit the fed is a good one. 

i like Romney, but he comes from a state where no republican can do anything without lots of compromise.  he has learned that art well.  do we want another RINO who's greatest skill is deal making?

i love Chris Christy.  don't know if he'd be able to deal with congress without stroking out.....

i'm guessing that the answer is in a state governor again.  someone who has learned to lead and get things done, and not been corrupted by Washington.  congress is all about playing the game.  governors are about leadership.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 02:58:43 PM »

I think being a governor is better preparation to be president than being in Congress.  It takes different skill sets to be a governor than it does a legislator, executive skills vs legislative skills.

Obama said it best on his upcoming 60 Minutes interview where he said he was so busy legislating that he forgot to lead  (let's not get into a discussion about WHERE he would have lead us/is leading us.)

Obama came out of/up through the legislative branch of government and that is all that he was interested in, passing big honken legislation.  He forgot about the other parts of his job, i.e. foreign policy, commander in chief, uniting the country, moral leadership, etc.  That is why the ship of state is adrift and the majority of the electorate thinks the country is on the wrong track.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2010, 01:20:06 AM »

I have to admit I don't remember a lot about Ron Paul's platform; I remember thinking he should have been the nominee for the GOP and a friend giving me a real telling off because I didn't want to write him in and have another Ross Perot vote split. As much as I liked the two of them I know the Democrats don't have anyone who is able to split their vote, (even green party, etc. can't make an effective split in the liberal vote) for some reason when Dems profess to be all things to all hippies - they just believe it - consistently.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2010, 08:43:04 AM »

I'm new to the forum but I thought I'd jump in.  I'm a Romney fan.  Having once lived in Utah for 25 years, I watched him turn the Winter Olympics around and make a profit (no really).  He has been a very successful businessman and I think right now that would be a key asset in today's difficult economy.  There's been a lot of misinformation about Romneycare in MA.  It has unarguably raised the number of Massachusetts citizens with health-care coverage, and has reduced out-of-pocket costs for many. But it hasn’t reduced overall costs.  I'm not sure healthcare costs can be reduced when you bring in more people under the system.  The benefit and difference I see to his program is that it is State sponsored as opposed to a federally sponsored bureaucracy and that means state legislators can fine tune a healthcare program much more quickly and based on their own set of circumstances and requirements for their citizens.  I think a State run program makes more sense but more importantly, he is the only candidate out there who has real world experience and we need that right now.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2010, 09:24:36 AM »

glad to have you jump in.   grin  i agree with you about Romney.  he has been a good manager in many ways.  i just don't know a having him as prez.  guess he's not quite conservative enough for me.....although i would have been happy to vote for him rather than McCain.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2010, 09:34:33 AM »

Experience means nothing without huge kahunas to go up against the lobbyists, unions, teacher pacts, etc.

Would I want Romney on my companies board, maybe.

Do I think he is removed enough from being well connected, to actually step on the toes, rock the boat, and get done and do what is needed for this country....I do not think so.

We don't need another well spoken and accredited business type who is a nice guy, willing to fold the first time pressured. We need someone who no doubt is tough enough to put a boot up the rear of a few people and organizations out there. The path we are going, is one that needs changed. And that will not be easy to do.

I would rather have a guy who can do what is right, then return to his business and walk away, without thinking he needs to be a career politician. I'm looking at outside the system for solutions. Not looking as we also do, within the system, and being screwed over and over.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2010, 10:05:39 AM »

I think Romney's true conservative credentials will always be in question, being from Massachusetts and passing Romney care.  But when he dropped out of the presidential race in 2008 he gave a fabulous concession speech,  really telling it like it is.  My husband turned to me and said, "If he had been talking like that during the campaign, he might have won the nomination."

Most pols can read the tea leaves and see that the country is trending right and frame their rhetoric accordingly.  I am with Bjorn.  I want someone who is going to kick a little #@% and shake things up.  Washington is broken, corrupt.  A newbie who just got elected to Congress from my district ran on the slogan "w
We will never change the status quo in Washington if we keep sending the status quo to Washington."  This was the guy's first time to run for anything.  I grabbed him by the tie at one of his fund raisers and told him if he went up there and blended in and got the political bug to stay around up there for a dozen terms I would lead the charge to defeat him.  He said he wouldn't, but that is what they all say, in the beginning.

Oklahoma just passed term limits for all our statewide state officials.  We already had it for our legislators.  Now if we can just get term limits for Washington! (ooops.  I guess I am off on another topic.)  
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2010, 10:27:55 AM »

Haley barbor is not an outsider by any means,but he has done well for Mississippi.
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http://www.governorbarbour.com/news/2010/oct/10.29.10statementonoctrevenues.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/05/haley-barbours-success-rate-plus-insider-status-question/
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2010, 11:08:46 AM »

i like Barbour also.  he's been a stand up guy and his example might have contributed to Jindal getting elected.  these southern states are starting to attract a lot of industry.  if they can keep the tax rates favorable and keep the unions out of the way, they have a chance of bringing jobs and money to the south.  
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2010, 12:42:11 PM »

i like Barbour also.  he's been a stand up guy and his example might have contributed to Jindal getting elected.  these southern states are starting to attract a lot of industry.  if they can keep the tax rates favorable and keep the unions out of the way, they have a chance of bringing jobs and money to the south.  
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2010, 01:12:00 PM »

I don't know if I could take H. Barbour's southern drawl for 4 years! grin  (JP's yes. Barbour's Huh??)

Barbour has been around a LONG time.  I remember hearing about him sometime around 1980 when my husband was in elected office.  People who have spent their whole lives in politics tend to have a lot of baggage and aren't known for thinking outside the box, which we need to be doing when it comes to solving this country's problems.
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there is a line that needs to be drawn between experience, and entrenchment.  we have had a couple of examples of what happens when we elect inexperienced people.  we need those who have both real life experience and some knowledge of how political leadership works (or doesn't). 
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2010, 03:55:41 PM »

I don't know if I could take H. Barbour's southern drawl for 4 years!


What southern drawl? He talks like everyone I know.  Jerry

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I don't know if I could take H. Barbour's southern drawl for 4 years!


What southern drawl? He talks like everyone I know.  Jerry

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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2010, 05:51:23 PM »

I'd go with Jim DeMint, even though he has said more than once that he would rather stay as Senator of SC.

I do NOT want to see the following running again, they're damaged goods, however, they would do well in the Political Action Committees such as what Sarah Palin has been doing since she left office in AK.


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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2010, 06:09:50 PM »

everybody is damaged goods if you look hard enough.  of your 4, i'd say the only one with a chance would be Romney, and he would not be my choice.  Paul has a dedicated following, but to small.  Palin, as much as i like her, has a voice that is like fingernails on a chalkboard  evil, Huckabee would not appeal to a lot of the social moderate/liberals that don't care much about moral issues.

of all that you picked, Romney is the only one who can walk the line between the fiscal conservatives who are moderates/independents and the social/moral conservatives.

social issues aside, i'd like to see a more fiscally conservative candidate.  i don't think Romney proved that he was, in MA.
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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2010, 07:21:57 PM »

The following are individuals who have either formally announced that they are running for president in 2012 and have filed as a candidate with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), or have formed an exploratory committee for a possible presidential run in 2012.
Republican Party

    * Jon Greenspon, businessman of Montana, has filed as a Republican presidential candidate with the FEC.

    * Fred Karger, political consultant and gay activist of California, has formed an exploratory committee for a 2012 run for the Republican presidential nomination.

 Libertarian Party

    * Former Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair and the editor and co-founder of Liberty for All online magazine R. Lee Wrights of Texas formed an exploratory committee on July 4, 2010.

 Independents


    * Street performer Robert Burck of New York

    * Former journalist, author, and perennial independent candidate Joe Schriner of Ohio

None of the following has formally announced his or her candidacy for the Republican Party nomination. The following individuals are currently speculated about as possible candidates. It is common for popular individuals to wait to announce their candidacies until later in the election cycle.
# Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona
# Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi
# Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton of Maryland
# Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida
# Businessman and radio talk show host Herman Cain of Georgia
# Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey
# Senator John Cornyn of Texas
# Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana
# Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina
# Former Speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich of Georgia
# Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas
# Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana
# Former Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico
# Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia
# Former Governor and 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin of Alaska
# Representative Ron Paul of Texas
# Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota
# Representative Mike Pence of Indiana
# Governor Rick Perry of Texas
# General David Petraeus of New York
# Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts
# Senator-Elect Marco Rubio of Florida
# Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin
# Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania
# Senator John Thune of South Dakota
# Businessman Donald Trump of New York
Copied from wiki.   I threw in the Libertarian and Independents candidates.   Any thoughts on these people?
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2010, 09:07:00 PM »

I think this is good stuff and this group seems to have a pretty savvy and mature approach to what we're looking for and I'm not joking here, are all beekeepers, conservative Republicans or Independents?  Wow, I'm a member of the BMW motorcycle forum and talk about leaning to the left and more!  Anyway, please keep in mind, the downside with Romney is that he is Mormon.  That is the Elephant in the room no one wants to talk about but having lived there for 25 years and not being a Mormon I can tell you he truly is a conservative.  His church is conservative and even though his father was the Governor of Michigan and considered a moderate, deep down, this guy is business savvy, and tuned into the financial world but has a service mentality that comes from the culture of his religion.  I've come to appreciate Mormons in many ways.  I can honestly say I find the religion to be strange, but aside from that, you can't find a more genuine, honest and service oriented type than Romney and I have many personal stories to back it up.  I don't see anyone that comes close to what he can do for our country.  The hurdle is going to be if the country can accept him as an accepted member of our culture based on his religion.
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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2010, 09:25:41 PM »

One of the things I think people should consider, is what would be needed to get the country on the right track.

Kind of like asking....ok, healthcare needs overhauled. But what things could be changed. Buying health care across state lines, tort reform, etc.

Then look at each item. Lets select tort reform.

I don't think you can fix healthcare without it. But I also do not trust any of the better than 90% of senators who are lawyers, to actually vote tort reform in. And having an attorney as president, would almost guarantee that not happening.

For me, I almost automatically discount all senators and lawyers. They are part of the problem with this country. Problem is....almost all politicians are lawyers.

And yet, when a normal "joe" comes along, we discount them due to not having the same qulaifications. I want a few average hard working "Joes" (or Janes) to get some things done. I have lost all faith on ANYBODY from within the system.
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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2010, 09:56:22 PM »

i'm not sure his being Mormon had that big an impact on his not getting the nomination.  i think the press did.  they were all gushy about McCain from the beginning, but i don't know any conservative who wanted him.  if his religion made any difference before, i don't think it would next time....not after this prez.

most of the problems with health care are not as complicated as some would make them out to be. what might be complicated is getting people to think differently about how they get their health care.  if you are going to make the purchase of insurance and care less expensive, you need to make the pricing of insurance and care consumer driven.  that means that people have to stop expecting someone else (their job) to pay for it.  you make it easier for the consumer to purchase exactly what they need, and you reform Medicare.  to cover those who do not have any coverage and can't afford to buy it, you need to get the insurance companies to create low cost pools that small business and lower income people can buy into, and states are going to have to make some choices.  do they want to spend money on art crap, pot holes, or health care.    

while i am not in favor of the feds taking over the insurance companies, this is one area where the existing regulations may need to be examined.  i don't want insurance companies forced to take those with pre-existing conditions, but those with pre-existing conditions should be able to buy into the pools.  i don't think an insurance company should be allowed to dump someone who has been making insurance payments when that person gets sick.
 there would be more free care available if there were serious tort reform.  the guys don't want to stick their necks out doing charity work and insurance won't cover lots of them anymore.  doctors who would otherwise be happy to donate time are going overseas to work because they won't get sued for their good works.

NO ONE should get free care.  i don't care if it's a dollar per visit, some payment needs to be made.  
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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2010, 12:48:10 PM »

What about a non politician?   http://draftcain.org/default.aspx ?
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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2010, 01:39:37 PM »

The Southern Republican Leadership Conference (SRLC) is a quadrennial political event held in the Southern United States two years before each presidential election. The event is attended by Republican Party activists, elected officials, and candidates for office.

The 2010 convention was attended by U.S. Representative and 2008 presidential candidate Ron Paul of Texas; Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele; and former Alaska Governor and 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Straw poll

Mitt Romney won the presidential straw poll by a single vote. Both Romney and Ron Paul received 24 per cent of the vote. Potential 2012 presidential candidates Senator John Thune of South Dakota, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Governor Rick Perry of Texas asked for their names not to be included on the straw poll ballot.

If the primary election for president were held today, for whom would you vote?
Candidate↓    Votes↓     %↓
Mitt Romney    439    24%
Ron Paul            438    24%
Sarah Palin      330    18%
Newt Gingrich    321    18%
Mike Huckabee    80    4%
Mike Pence      58    3%
Tim Pawlenty    54    3%
Rick Santorum    41    2%
Gary Johnson    3    1%

Who would be your second choice in the Republican Primary Election for president?
Candidate↓    Votes↓     %↓
Newt Gingrich    339    20%
Sarah Palin      332    20%
Mitt Romney    242    14%
Mike Huckabee    178    11%
Mike Pence      141    8%
Rick Santorum    125    7%
Tim Pawlenty    114    7%
Gary Johnson    104    6%
Ron Paul        98    6%
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2010, 04:09:56 PM »

Here is my problem with Romney.

Although some have mentioned his state's health care system in place, it is not about whether it worked or not. I don't care about whether it costs more or less. For me, it is about governments role in our lives and the increase loss of freedom.

Just today, in Pennsylvania, the state education board is setting new standards on treats and birthday parties within public schools. Another report out of California, has new standards of what could go into a happy meal.

We continue to allow, and were told for our own good, laws and continued loss of freedoms.

Unless Romney vetoed, and fully vehemently worked against healthcare for his state while he was Governor, he is an appeaser and not even worthy in my book. It's not whether it works or not. It's about governments role in our lives. And I am disappointed on how many it seems would seemingly give Obama more control, if unemployment was lower, or the debt was smaller. That is how I read it.

I'll take personal responsibility and freedom over government control, regardless of the outcome. Let the chips fall where they may.
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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2010, 04:29:42 PM »

I personally would vote for Chris Christy, anyone who would take on the Teachers Union and not back down has my vote.  On a side note, I had the chance to meet mister Christy at my wifes work (Harpo Productions) and I have to say I was even more impressed with him. 
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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2010, 06:03:03 PM »

I would vote for sheriff Joe with no second thought - wouldn't even look back at the poll booth.
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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2010, 10:08:12 AM »

Here is my problem with Romney.

Although some have mentioned his state's health care system in place, it is not about whether it worked or not. I don't care about whether it costs more or less. For me, it is about governments role in our lives and the increase loss of freedom.

Just today, in Pennsylvania, the state education board is setting new standards on treats and birthday parties within public schools. Another report out of California, has new standards of what could go into a happy meal.

We continue to allow, and were told for our own good, laws and continued loss of freedoms.

Unless Romney vetoed, and fully vehemently worked against healthcare for his state while he was Governor, he is an appeaser and not even worthy in my book. It's not whether it works or not. It's about governments role in our lives. And I am disappointed on how many it seems would seemingly give Obama more control, if unemployment was lower, or the debt was smaller. That is how I read it.

I'll take personal responsibility and freedom over government control, regardless of the outcome. Let the chips fall where they may.

amen.

romney is a smooth criminal.  i don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2010, 06:11:15 PM »

romney is a smooth criminal.  i don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth

Pretty harsh words.  I take it you can back up that statement with some verifiable evidence he's a criminal.  You may not like his politics but I'd like to see our comments on this thread be a little higher caliber.  Just my thoughts on the matter.
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