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« on: October 25, 2010, 06:26:18 PM »

Absolutely No Profiling!
Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test.
These events are actual events from history..

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a.. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c.. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton , to distract attention from Wild Bill 's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c Billy Graham
d.. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people..They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
 
Foot note: Fort Hood Texas .Another Muslim 39 years old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd others...
Does this fit the profile ?

NOW OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF IS TELLING EVERYONE THAT THE YOUNG MUSLIM THAT ATTEMPTED TO BLOW UP A NORTHWEST/DELTA JET AS IT APPROACHED DETROIT ON CHRISTMAS DAY WAS (QUOTE) "AN ISOLATED INCIDENT".
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 06:35:19 PM »

First test I answered all right in a while.   Everybody knows profiling works but everyone wants to be PC and not do it.   It will hurt us again.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 07:38:33 PM »

Are you completely sure those events in the test weren't really committed by secret agents of the U.S. gov't and it's uber-rich corporate and legacy super-rich secret societies of elites that really control the gov't?

I mean, it is common knowledge around other countries in the world that the U.S. gov't is nothing more than the new face of imperialist dominators and they have the tacit, if not ignorant approval of the spoiled and rude American citizens.

I just want to keep you out of trouble for trying to frame up a bunch of completely innocent patriots and religious martyrs who are only defending their countries and way of life from our ruthless, conniving ways.

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 08:03:03 PM »

Everybody profiles. If they say they don't, I question their honesty and maybe even their sanity. You cannot tell me that if Mr. and Mrs. white, upper middle class suburbanites are sitting in their den watching Dancing With the Stars and hear a knock at the door and look outside to see a couple of young Mexican, black, Indian or even white people who maybe dressed differently than they do, and not immediately profile them. I have friends that ride Harley's that tell me people are afraid to look at them because of their dress and mode of transportation. All the while, these friends are respectable law abiding citizens. It is way past tie we quit the PC crap and be honest with each other. Hmmmm.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 08:18:40 PM »

i remember getting "the look" when i took my son to a friends bday party in an all black neighborhood.  you don't have to be white to profile!  smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 08:21:12 PM »

The pistol is sitting right over the TV now.  Ain't nobody going to make me miss my Dancing With the Stars, no matter how well dressed they are.   grin  

And yes you are right with profiling.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »

Amen Kathy. Allen, don't misunderstand me, I like DWS myself. I was just using a popular show as an example. My wife used to think I just watched for the skimpy outfits. But when I am spouting out critiques
as the dance is going on, she knows I am looking at the footwork. "Look at her arm" "He is way out of time" etc.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 10:11:53 PM »

I think the concept of profiling from the point of view of those who feel slighted is when they get treated with disrespect.  If I am a Muslim male between the ages of 17 and 40 who believes we are all children of Allah and I treat everyone with respect and I am not a terrorist, then I am insulted when you treat me like I am one.  On the other hand if you look more closely at me, but do so respectfully, I may not be so offended.

Being treated as guilty simply because of your race makes you feel falsely accused.

Profiling, if it is done respectfully, it can be simply narrowing the field to save the time and effort of screening everyone.  If done disrespectfully it can be the direct cause of more ill feelings in a world that has too many already.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 09:18:49 AM »

Your right Mike, however, one cultures definition of respect is often also different from another.

Location is one aspect that is part of the situation.  If the 'slight' were to happen in one's muslim homeland, people sshould expect to show respect as it is defined there.

if one leaves their muslim homeland to go somewhere else, the definition of respect of the place they are in should be upheld.

In many of these muslim countries, the definition of respectful behavior is considerably different than in non muslim countries.

There is a basic 'universal' way of showing respect to other human beings, but how often do people expect more or different than that?

and we can't deny, there are always those who are looking for any trouble they can make out of a situation.  No, it's not everybody, but it's enough to draw the attention their way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 09:27:57 AM »

Good post, Bear......
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 02:51:11 PM »

Your right Mike, however, one cultures definition of respect is often also different from another....
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Yeah, it's really, really disrespectful to hold someone for questioning when the bomb sniffing dog is flipping out like a crackhead two hours before the paychecks show up.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 04:30:30 PM »

He's not talking about the actions of security, he's talking about how the interaction is handled.

How do you respond to a cop who pulls you over if...

A) The cop is direct, to the point, "license, registration please", "thank you", etc..
 or
B) the cop is derogatory, says "what's your f-in problem?  give me your license and registration now" etc..

I have met both types of cops and I find I have no problem dealing  with the first one. 
The second one is likely to hear some choice words back.

I have also seen security guards give one group of people the evil eye, based on age, skin color, the way they are dressed and others they have no "mean mug" for at all.

If ones job is security, it is very possible to scrutinize and observe people as suspects without doing it in an obvious or openly hostile way.  yet there are examples of people in law enforcement and security positions that telegraph their valuations and suspicions to others and there is no professional need to do so.

However, there are some people who walk around this planet thinking that everyone else in the world is beneath them or that the world owes them something and common manners and objectivity isn't enough.  These folks want people to defer to them and cater to their enlarged sense of entitlement or there will be hell to pay.

it happens, there are people all around us like that and usually, the folks who think they should be given special treatment will make a huge fuss and create a scene about how they were treated so "badly" because no one looked the other way or treated them like everyone else.

Making someone wait in line to have their luggage checked like everyone else is an insult to someone with an enlarged ego.

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 06:27:07 PM »

I passed that test with flying colors.

Of course I am not a left wing radical liberal. If you are, this was a trick test. This test probably left you scratching your head for the answer. The answer for you would of been "e". And the answer filled in for "e" would be.....now stay with me.....BUSH!  grin


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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 06:28:19 PM »

i'm thinking that cavity searches are always going to be considered disrespectful now matter how polite the people performing them happen to be
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2010, 06:46:20 PM »

Well darn. I really thought it was the boy scouts in cahoots with Bugs Bunny  Undecided
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2010, 07:26:06 PM »

Bulldog, that kinda depends on who's searching who's cavity doesn't it? grin

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2010, 11:46:13 PM »

yes, i suppose it does  shocked
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2010, 12:04:27 AM »

no, I get it bigbear, I was just riffing on what constitutes respect, and that the bad guys will cry foul every time - reliably.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2010, 08:53:37 AM »

being very white and very male I have no problem with profiling... imagine that?Huh

I suspect the problem is really more in the context of how something is done than anything else.  Attitude of the authorities is the key here and as some have said no one wants to be viewed at as being guilty simply based on how they look or the color of their skin.

as I suspect Iddee might know Huh it would not be so difficult to make a similar list which would APPEAR like an inditement against white male christian.

sadly most folks (I assume???) don't see the common thread beyond the age/ethnic origin in all the questions Iddee has constructed.  evidently some folks would rather promote fear than come to an understanding of the root of the problem.  invariable the folks that promote fear are more reactionary in their nature than in resolving the problem.  I am not certain why they haven't learned that simply beating up some perceived (and often time manufactured) enemy has never resolved a single problem. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2010, 09:14:15 AM »

Tec says: "evidently some folks would rather promote fear than come to an understanding of the root of the problem."

Iddee says: "Some people try to stay alive long enough to take care of the problem."

IE: Some people will kill yellow jackets while pampering honey bees. Both stinging insects, but profiling is used, in IMHO, successfully.

Some of us use the same strategy when dealing with humans.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2010, 09:32:41 AM »

Iddee writes:
"Some people try to stay alive long enough to take care of the problem."

Some of us use the same strategy when dealing with humans.

tecumseh:
I suspect Iddee either mine or your PROBABILITY of being harmed directly by muslim terrorist is pretty remote.  having said that, I will tell you that I had two god daughter (quite charming young ladies really even thought they are yankees) that were occupying the building right next to the World Trade Center on 9/11.... so for some of us the risk is not direct but the consequence of such stuff can hit quite close to home.

everyone profiles... it is good (for me personally at least) to come to some understanding of this bias rather than allowing such small thinking to control my life.

as I have suggest previously, when all you have to sell is fear you really have nothing much to offer. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2010, 09:59:33 AM »

IE: Some people will kill yellow jackets while pampering honey bees. Both stinging insects, but profiling is used, in IMHO, successfully.

simply put, I like it!
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2010, 10:22:27 AM »

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everyone profiles... it is good (for me personally at least) to come to some understanding of this bias rather than allowing such small thinking to control my life

small thinking?

how hard is it to understand that people who belong to a certain religion and have stated their desire to wipe "The Great Satan" (us) off the face of the earth?  it's not all those people.  it's not even most of them.  however, they are part of a large religion, and the number of them willing to die to kill us is large. 

if you consider the bias (profiling) small thinking, then i would say you have a personal problem.  if it is taking over your life, ditto the last. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2010, 04:40:43 PM »

Tec says: "I suspect Iddee either mine or your PROBABILITY of being harmed directly by muslim terrorist is pretty remote. "

Iddee says:  If you have flown in the last 9 years, you have been harmed by muslim terrorist. It doesn't have to be physical wounds to be harmed.

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2010, 05:17:04 PM »

Simple test:

I'll even give you the answers.

1. Who blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building?
A white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

2. Who shot that family planning doctor in Kansas?

A white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

3. Who planted the Atlanta Olympics bomb?

A white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

4. Who have been responsible for numerous abortion clinic bombings and shootings over the last 30 years?

White American males between the ages of 17 and 50

All perpetrated on American soil too.   Hmmmm.

So what does that little bit of profiling tell us?

Should we all fear and discriminate against white American males between the ages of 17 and 50?

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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2010, 05:29:49 PM »

I guess America is lucky I'm 51

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Simple test:

I'll even give you the answers.

1. Who blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building?
a white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

2. Who shot that family planning doctor in Kansas?

a white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

3. Who planted the Atlanta Olympics bomb?

a white American male between the ages of 17 and 50

4. Who have been responsible for numerous abortion clinic bombings and shootings over the last 30 years?

White American males between the ages of 17 and 50

All perpetrated on American soil too.   Hmmmm.

So what does that little bit of profiling tell us?

Should we all fear and discriminate against white American males between the ages of 17 and 50?

that's a great list of actions taken by a few nuts.  now name the government, organization, or religions leaders, that condoned  those actions.  see anyone dancing in the streets after any of those things?  at least in this country.......?
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2010, 06:14:31 PM »

Gee Kathy,

Why am I not surprised to see you not ascribe similar Muslim extremism ( including the dancers in the street and leaders who didn't denounce the acts of violence) as the actions of "a few nuts" in a Muslim community of millions. Yet when I point out a few white, Christian Americans yor immediate reaction is  to give their society a pass because "they are just "a few nuts".

Nice double standard.

Funny how the actions of a few Muslims tar the whole community, but not so violent Americans (who right wrong or indifferent have killed far more  people worldwide than any other group in history), or white people.

Violence is wrong, period.

My point was that profiling is a fairly inaccurate tool for meting out justice.

And, for the record, there were plenty of right wing extremist leaders singing the praises of all of those white American terrorists.

So don't kid yourself into thinking our society is any better.

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2010, 06:45:37 PM »

if the majority of drunk drivers are on the road between 10 pm and 4 am and i were a cop wouldn't my best chances of pulling over a drunk be between those hours ?  if that cop were to be, say a little more aggressive, in making traffic stops during that time wouldn't his chance of making a dwi arrest increase ? and in doing so wouldn't the streets be a little safer ?

profiling may not be fair to people that are innocent, yet belong to the particular demographic being singled out, but it is effective law enforcement in most cases.

it was, after all, 19 arab muslims  that boarded planes on 9-11 and killed all those people in the name of allah, so maybe a little harsher scrutiny of people that happen to be arab/muslim trying to board a plane might actually prevent something like that from happening in the future or at least discourage it somewhat ? or would you perhaps like for us to just let our guard down and allow something like that to happen again ?
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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2010, 06:54:27 PM »

No argument from me, beek. I defer to reply #72 on the npr thread.
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »

ultimately, the point is, "profiling" is something all living creatures do.  Animals that have been abused will often become shy or very aggressive when people are around them, based on how people treated them.

as humans, we discriminate in everything we do, from the foods we eat to the people we choose to associate with to music we like to hear.

It's not so much that we are profiling, it's what we do about it that becomes the issue.

if I am responsible for security at a birth control clinic and I know that white males between the ages of 17 and 50 are the most recognized as shooters of doctors in those places, I will step up my scrutiny when  I see one in the area.  I may not arrest them or cuss them out or give them the evil eye, but  I most certainly will err on the side of caution.

If I am responsible for security at an airline and I know that arabic looking men between ages 17 and 50 are highly recognized as attacking airlines,  I will most certainly pay more attention to them when I see someone fitting the description.    However, again,  I will not arrest them or give them the evil eye , etc..  I will, though, err on the side of caution.

If every time I see a politician,  I get the feeling I am being lied to,  I am very likely to be distrustful of anything a politician says to me and check out what they told me somewhere  I think is believable before  I accept it as truth.

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2010, 07:12:29 PM »

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If every time I see a politician,  I get the feeling I am being lied to,  I am very likely to be distrustful of anything a politician says to me and check out what they told me somewhere  I think is believable before  I accept it as truth.

no offense bigbear, but i think all politicians do lie to us  grin
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2010, 07:21:00 PM »

 Wink

I know,  I threw that in to be obvious.  heh

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Funny how the actions of a few Muslims tar the whole community, but not so violent Americans (who right wrong or indifferent have killed far more  people worldwide than any other group in history), or white people.

Violence is wrong, period.

My point was that profiling is a fairly inaccurate tool for meting out justice.

And, for the record, there were plenty of right wing extremist leaders singing the praises of all of those white American terrorists.

So don't kid yourself into thinking our society is any better.

i will agree that it is a small % of Muslims, but that is not a small number.  there are between 1.3 and 1.8 billion Muslims.  you do the math with any % radicals you want to choose.  in addition, they have the backing of governments like Iran and Syria, and segments of the religion like the Wahhabi sect in Saudi Arabia.  Hezbollah, which is one of the most dangerous terrorist organizations in the world, was formed and is supported by Iran...which is a thocracy run by Mullahs.

violence is not only not always wrong, but sometimes necessary.  i am capable and willing to be violent if i need to be, but i do not lead a violent life, or subscribe to a violent belief.

you don't think our society is any better....i can't relate to that kind of moral relativism.

profiling is a tool.  by itself, it would not be effective.  as part of a counter terrorism program, it is an important tool.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2010, 09:19:02 PM »


... violent Americans (who right wrong or indifferent have killed far more  people worldwide than any other group in history), or white people.


Um, actually I think feudal China still holds the record for the most dead on a single battlefield, with deaths counting into the millions -I don't have the exact numbers, but I suppose if we had to come up with them I may find proof of mine first.

EDIT: upper tens to low hundred(s) of thousands per battlefield - with up to millions per war.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2010, 09:26:31 PM »

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Simple test:

tecumseh:
let's add a couple of more.

5) who killed JFK?

6) who killed Martin Luther King?

in both cases american citizens did celebrate and dance in the street when both of these men were murdered?
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in both cases american citizens did celebrate and dance in the street when both of these men were murdered?


this is the first i have heard of this. i might be inclined to believe that a certain portion of white America may have danced at mlk's death, although i never heard anything about it, but kennedy ? did this really happen or are you fabricating ?

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depends on who you ask
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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2010, 09:55:10 PM »

i lived through both. missed the dancing in the street for either, although i'm sure both made some people happy.  again, not organized or state/religion supported actions.....as far as we know.

there will always be nuts.  there will always be murders.  there will aways be people happy about certain deaths.  i was pretty happy to see Murtha go.

Bee Happy was he talking about Americans or whites in general?  either way, i can't make the numbers work.  maybe if you toss in all dictators, but they are not all white....

in fact, radical Islam has killed more Arabs and Persian than anything else, all in their desire to establish a Muslim word as they think it should exist.   
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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2010, 10:06:11 PM »

Tec, go back and read the title to the thread. Dancing in the streets when JFK died? You must have been eating ham before bed. They say it causes nightmares and weird dreams. You should be more careful about your diet.

As so often happens on this forum, I think I want to call for links to source on this one.

As for MLK, The ones wanting to dance probably couldn't get off work.
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>"If it looks like a snake, crawls like a snake, hisses like a snake, I'm going to think it bites like a snake. You think the way you want."

I've seen thousands of snakes in my life.  None of them bit me... and most were not capable of biting me even if I caught them (and I did catch some of them).

Good analogy.  Most snakes are quite good and quite nice...
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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2010, 06:44:10 AM »

Let me get this straight....

So we let the imported pythons grow and grow, and when they start destroying the natural habitat, run amuck, kill family pets, and start endangering our children, we stand back and suggest because many of the snakes that were already here that never harmed anyone (or at least most did not), we should also let these pythons take over and accept it?

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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2010, 07:04:15 AM »

Ft. Hood,World Trade Center,Lockerbie,1993 world trade center attack,Ft Dix,5 /8/07, and I think after the 9/11 attacks that flight 800 should be investigated further.These attacks go after large groups of people.And the American people are not proud of the homegrown terrorists and would likely lock up more of them if we weren't so 'compassionate".
 It seems our justice system seems more bent on trying to "reform" than serve justice.
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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2010, 08:09:56 AM »

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this is the first i have heard of this. i might be inclined to believe that a certain portion of white America may have danced at mlk's death, although i never heard anything about it, but kennedy ? did this really happen or are you fabricating ?

tecumseh:
I do fabricate, but only in metal and only with a hot welding rod in my hand.

I seem to recall a picture in Life Magazine of southern fraternity member (Mississippi was the location I think) dancing when they announced that Kennedy was dead.  This was long before the days of photo shop so I assume the photograph was not manufactured.
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2010, 08:46:00 AM »

Let me get this straight....

Wow, you are such an islamophobic bigot to call all Muslims snakes.  People like you don't belong in America.

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2010, 09:18:55 AM »

Bee Happy,

I said worldwide, not on one battlefield.
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Are we picking nits?  beat a dead horse
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2010, 02:17:10 PM »

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I said worldwide, not on one battlefield.

Of course, which I took to mean "overall total"
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My point was that profiling is a fairly inaccurate tool for meting out justice.


I will choose to disagree. It can be quite accurate applied appropriately. A simplistic example that I am acutely aware of occured during my time in the service. While performing morning inspections of the barracks my drill sargeant found trash in a trash can (contrary to what one may think a trash can in a barracks SHOULD NOT contain trash at any time) since he did not have the time nor inclination to determine the exact identity of the offender but he did know it was a young male recruit under his charge he decided to drop the his entire platoon into the front leaning rest position and leave them there to consider the finer points of barracks room maintenance. I guarantee there was never trash in that trash can again. It even works when the offender(s) are known and repeated individual efforts fail. The same drill observed poorly made bunks on repeat occasions and as only one recruit per occupied said bunks the identity was known and corrective actions taken. That failing, the entire platoon was again given the opportunity to consider the failings of a few. In this case predjudicial profiling got the desired result, though we were sure not to leave any marks.

Profiling works quite well in my experience.
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of course you can't leave trash in the trash can.  it makes a mess when the Gunny pitches the trash can down the center of the barracks!  trash on the floor will have all cleaning and waxing that floor on your hands and knees.   evil

profiling is one tool in the tool kit.  intel is many pieces leading to a best guess.  sorting intel is not a science.  it's an art.
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