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« on: October 21, 2010, 08:55:22 AM »

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130712737&ps=cprs

we had this conversation earlier about NPR and how valuable it is.  the balance it presents, etc.  that's crap and now they prove it.  

JW is a liberal.  more moderate than some, but a lib.  i don't agree with him on much of anything, but i appreciate the fact that he holds and states his opinions honestly.  i happened to have watched this segment as BO comes on after the news and got left on by accident.  can't take much of him....  it was a straight forward statement about what had happened on The View and how each felt about it. JW was honest about how he feels sometimes.   it's the same feeling that most of us have probably had on occasion.  i'll be the first to say that if i am getting on a plane or  hanging out somewhere and i see a few Arab looking men hanging together,  i absolutely keep an eye out.  i don't think that makes me a bigot.  i don't think it makes JW a bigot.

JW has committed the twin sins of being a moderate who does not support many of BO's programs completely, and a FN contributer.

NPR is not about honest reporting or sharing of opinions.  it is a liberal mouthpiece with the occasional "teabagger" thrown in to give the appearance of balance.  we need to not have tax dollars going to them.  if they can survive on their own, fine.  i have no problem with competition in the open market.  if they can't....gone the way of Air America.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 09:52:36 AM »

tell us how you really feel! 

i stopped going there....i realize EVERYONE uses their own means of rhetoric (tecumseh confuses rhetoric as BS) but rhetoric is the art of persuasion.  i'm not persuaded in the least to lend my ears to NPR....it's all party politics...when it becomes platform based and issue based it is immediately switched to party and then someone is ridiculed and belittled and run out just to keep the parties going...going on crap that is secondary to what is important....put the blinders on the US and keep em baaaa baaa baaaing all the way home.

williams should be allowed to speak his mind....but in this day and age if we want to speak our mind we have to tiptoe around the issue and be extra and over sensitive.  this idea of collectivism ruins america.....

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 10:40:35 AM »

yes, this CA girl knows that Juan is spelled with a J.  i write stuff in my head and since i can't spell, everything is done phonetically.  no, no one complained, but i did the edit in my head and realized i needed to come back and fix my error.....before someone fussed   evil
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 03:55:38 PM »

How in the world can the government justify spending money on NPR HuhHuh
If Congress is serious about cutting the deficit (which they aren't cause they are the only ones who can and they haven't done it), anyway, if they were serious about getting spending under control, NPR and PBS and the National Endowments for the Arts would be great places to start.  There is no excuse to spend tax dollars on these left leaning cultural accouterments when things like cable TV, satellite radio and YouTube provide plenty of outlets for every point of view and absurdity imaginable.
I am tired of being taxed to support that left leaning drivel and the firing of JW just proves how left leaning NPR really is. soapbox

P.S.  Can you see the smoke coming out of my ears?
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 04:07:12 PM »

Just how much government money goes to NPR?   I know the local station we listen to it here is run my a local school system (government money).  But I do like some of their stories as a buffer before I turn on the talk radio at 9 AM.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 05:25:14 PM »

they don't get a lot, at least on paper.  they do get some govt grants and a good number of local stations get local public funds.  the bulk of the money comes from private donations and private foundations.  my point is that they should get NO public money.  now that Soros is supporting them, i think this is even more true.  even if you bought the original reasons for public broadcasting,  those reasons no longer exist and apparently no longer matter to NPR.

i hope that the left is watching because liberals will never, and have never, been the ones who will protect your rights.  they didn't back civil rights, they don't back free speech, or any other 1st amendment rights.  forget the 2nd!  liberalism is about control.  you can't have freedom and control in the same government.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 05:37:38 PM »

 applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause

Kathy is right.  NO public money should go to NPR, or PBS, etc.  The original reasons for creating those entities has long since vanished.  If any of their programing is worthwhile and "profitable"  (i.e. important to enough people) let the private sector pay for it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 06:11:39 PM »

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i realize EVERYONE uses their own means of rhetoric (tecumseh confuses rhetoric as BS) but rhetoric is the art of persuasion.

tecumseh:
by 'means of' I must assume you mean 'methods of'Huh

I ain't confused in the least.  although as I pointed out to you in a prior thread a logical discourse is only one of three classical forms of persuasion.  you need not use just one.. you can mix them up if that is a more effective course.  that decision seems to me to quite depend on the audience as much as anything else.

I kind of like the local weather and the news of NPR.  As far as Juan Williams (I am guessing that is what the jargon JW means???) in his position he should know better that stating such a 'bias' in a public conversation.  Evidently fear seems to have even spread to the media folks?  Once you have admitted to buying into the fear and this fear is admitted to being firmly established as a bias...  how could anyone think his position is above the fray, neutral in in presentation or balance in any way?

a little less 'in group' jargon might improve some folks rhetorical delivery.

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 06:26:26 PM »

Personally,  I think national public television and national public radio are both necessary functions/features of the government in the most basic terms of mass communications.

The ability to disseminate information that is important and necessary for an informed public.

However, I do think that shows on both public radio and public television should strive to be exemplary in non-biased, non-partisan reporting and programming.

If one's personal views are going to be expressed as commentary and be allowed, then there must be the guarantee of equal representation of all parties involved.  Not the facade or pretension of inclusion that exists now.

As usual, some people take a good thing and have to ruin it for everyone else.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 06:29:16 PM »

Personally,  I think national public television and national public radio are both necessary functions/features of the government in the most basic terms of mass communications.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 06:32:01 PM »

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The ability to disseminate information that is important and necessary for an informed public.

looked at a new cell phone?  do you know that there is a function on there to alert you to a national emergency and you can't over-ride it or delete it.  do you think that the government would be kept from any form of communication if there were some emergency?  the idea that the government might have a platform to disseminate info that they think is important is a little big brotherish, don't you think?  i already feel like obama is on TV every time i turn it on and i'm waiting for the day that the off button won't work.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 07:02:19 PM »

did you miss the mass communication part?

it is in the nations best interests at the very least for security or emergency to have a means of informing and notifying the public of what is going on and what steps are being taken to address this.

in the absence of disaster/emergency, use of public airwaves is educating and informing the public is a productive use of the resources.  It is better to have an informed and educated public rather than an ignorant one.

That's how  I see it anyway.

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »

I don't have the money to buy a new cellphone.  I'm glad you do.

I'm willing to bet though that a large portion of the population doesn't have the latest greatest in cell phones.

radio and television are much more pervasive.

and it's big brotherish if that's how you, and they, use it that way.

If you mean to suggest that we can't trust people with the tools meant be used for positives, well, be more selective who you vote for  i guess.


 I notice you refer to the government as "they"  when we should be expecting "them" to be "us" instead.  kinda part of the problem with electing parties instead of people.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 07:36:25 PM »

There are over 600 hundred channels on television. And thousands on the radio. There is a channel for every conceivable subject. If you watching or listening to NPR or Public access channels, you already have the access to thousands of sources.

I find the whole "emergency" need for public radio or television a bit of nothing. How many tuned in to NPR when 9/11 struck? How many tuned into the other thousands of channels of news. I bet 99% or more tuned into Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or another news channel. As for the educational needs, animal planet, discovery, and a hundred all channel on television already create, broadcast, and allow the viewer to see everything you could possible want.

I just don't understand the need for tax payer funds going to pay for the 601st channel, when the first 600 are out there. Most of the programming on NPR is found elsewhere.

NPR is a leftist agenda that should lose it's funding and fend for itself in the market, or go under because of it's positions. But to think they need to continue getting tax payer funds, because we may need it (and we don't) for the excuse of the next world war, or for some educational programming, is a bit beyond it's time.

And the two slanderous leftist liberal women in charge on NPR should also lose their jobs. To think that they would give a interview or make comments about William's sanity, while smirking, is unbelievable. I hope they lose their jobs, the tax payers can save some money, and we can all thank Williams later for finally bringing down the joke they call the NPR.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 07:52:10 PM »

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i thought that was what the emergency broadcast system was about?  am i being annoyed by that noise for no reason?
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 07:55:41 PM »

personally,  I agree that the leftist agenda on both the npr and pbs exists.   I said as much in my post as well.

However, npr and pbs both predate many of the tv stations and networks available on cable and satellite currently.

they are not the 601st network.

 I think the information presented on those public radio stations and networks should be role models of objectivity and neutrality.  If they are to best serve the entire public interest.

 I along with many others  I know only have over the air television access and in order to exercise our choice to not watch the crass, commercialist crap that is on major networks, we often watch the educational and informational shows on pbs.   (I admit to changing the channel when the news and political shows come on pbs, they are pretty much "full of it")

when  I do have the money,  I have donated to public television in my state to support the non news and political shows.  much of the public television and radio is supported by state programs and fundraising.  Not just federal money.

you have the opinion that public television is of no value anymore and  I can see that point if all you see of public radio and tv is the news and political shows.

my opinion is that public television and radio can be a positive investment and resource for the public, much like public libraries.  if it is run properly.  if it;s not being run properly,  I don't think the solution is to abandon it.  Instead, remove the people who are mis-managing things and get people who will do it properly.

I'm sorry, to me, money is not everything.   i see the potential for being a positive resource in it.

Yes, I am an idealist.  but if it weren't for ideals, we would have nothing to strive for.

That's just my opinion.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2010, 07:59:22 PM »

unlike NPR, i am not into censorship.  i don't think they should be done away with.  if enough people believe they are important and want to support their programing, so be it.  i just don't want tax dollars in any form, spent on them.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 08:00:39 PM »

people already do.  the numerous statewide telethons are testament to that happening.


and, they are not just "your" tax dollars involved here.  they are the taxes of millions of Americans each having a voice, or supposed to.

maybe if you are so anti npr/pbs, you try to convince your state to opt of those programs.

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 08:08:51 PM »

Just how much government money goes to NPR?   I know the local station we listen to it here is run my a local school system (government money).  But I do like some of their stories as a buffer before I turn on the talk radio at 9 AM.
Very little.
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 08:13:31 PM »

it's kind of amazing to me that anyone would support government involvement in the media, in any form.  i object to tax dollars going to public broadcasting for the same reason i object to things like the "fairness doctrine" or government interference in internet content. there is no valid reason for it in a free country.  if millions of people want to support NPR, that's great.  it is their CHOICE.  when MY tax dollars are going to support a liberal government mouthpiece, it is not my choice and it is wrong.  it's not about the money.  it's about what government should and should not be doing.
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