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« on: October 14, 2010, 09:36:40 PM »

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I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning.

 

He told me that a woman in her 20’s came to the ER with her 8th pregnancy. She stated “my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family.” He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money for the family.

 

The scam goes like this: The grandma calls the Department of Child and Family Services and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for these children. DCFS agrees and states that the child or children will need to go to foster care.

 

The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois . Total yearly income: $144,000 tax-free, not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly “Linx” card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month. This does not even include WIC and other welfare programs. Indeed, grandma was correct in that her fertile daughter is the “breadwinner” in the family.

 

I hope you share this story with your contacts so they know how the ruling class spends your tax dollars.

 






Sebastian J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist, Danville Polyclinic, LTD.




http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/08/welfare-scam-in-illinois.html

Be sure to read the comments........
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 09:42:43 PM »

That is just totally wrong.  And the worse part is, they are raising 8 more that will learn to use the system.   Honk if my tax dollars are supporting you.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 08:06:53 AM »

one would hope that folks might read the responses to this article in the attached web site...

snipped here> http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/08/welfare-scam-in-illinois.html

as at least one poster suggest this all looks a bit manufactured.  I would not be really surprised to see any number of the detail of the short letter to be in fact over blown.  any doctor that reports to the media in regards to a patient is not operating on a very high ethical level... in fact this might be illegal and could lead to a doctor loosing his license.  why would a doctor risk all that to send some letter to a heroin addict/radio talk show celebrity?
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 08:49:48 AM »

That's why I posted the last line. The comments are more interesting than the article.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 08:58:01 AM »

That is just totally wrong.  And the worse part is, they are raising 8 more that will learn to use the system.   Honk if my tax dollars are supporting you.

If they did honk, you would probably go deaf with the noise.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 09:39:10 AM »

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any doctor that reports to the media in regards to a patient is not operating on a very high ethical level... in fact this might be illegal and could lead to a doctor loosing his license.  why would a doctor risk all that to send some letter to a heroin addict/radio talk show celebrity?

certainly not true before HIPAA and probably  not now.  while the HIPAA rules are pretty tight, as long as there are not patient identifiers there's probably no problem.  if the woman recognized herself in the story and wanted to make an issue of it, she probably could....might not be smart.

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I would not be really surprised to see any number of the detail of the short letter to be in fact over blown.

you might be right.  why don't you work on proving it.  you have a lot of surprises and might be in there. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 09:42:57 AM »

hey.  at least the doc is real  grin

http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-sebastian-ciancio-md-77f4de6c

maybe someone from IL can run the numbers and see if the numbers add up. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 05:52:05 PM »

This particular scam has been reported numerous times long before this Dr's comments. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. These folks also practice the old child switch scam in which one woman will "borrow" young children from others to go sign up for entitlements. No mysteries here. Lyndon Johnson's Great Society programs were just a start for scams that doomed us to forever pay for those who will suck taxpayers dry with no remorse. When I was in the Navy, my squadron adopted a Vietnamese family, found them a home and furnished it, plus food in unbelievable quantities. The father had been a printer in SVN and we found him a good job with a local yearbook printing firm. He found out that welfare in LA County would pay him more to stay home than his job paid. One night they rented a truck, packed all the donated furniture, clothing, TV's etc and moved to LA. Hah! New entitlement family, with a bunch of kids to teach the value of "make the sucker taxpayers support us." Anyone who doesn't believe these things actually happen, and happen often, is living in a dream world. Watch the folks paying with WIC at the grocery store, follow them out, and observe the vehicle they're driving. Betcha it's nicer than the one you drive; but be thankful, you help them make the payments.  huh
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 08:19:47 PM »

It makes me wonder how life would be if I got to keep 14% ss tax for myself and the what 4% medicare tax also.  Get rid for fica and the befits altogether.  I would have so much more.   Then on the other hand, all the users out there would have to take care of themselves.   They would have to get some type of job (farm labor or construction away from the ills)  and then pay taxes also.   Maybe they would live a healthier live and there would be no need for Obama care.   The results could be endless.   
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 02:40:42 PM »

The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois . Total yearly income: $144,000 tax-free, not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly “Linx” card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month.
So this urologist is also an ER doc?!?

This looks like total baloney. In WI, the MONTHLY reimbursement for foster parenting ranges from $349 to about $400/child. This sounds like a load of bull that you bought too easily.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 03:13:52 PM »

Yep, looks like total bull to me too. $1400 a month, lol. Not that there aren't plenty of people out there on welfare that are just too depressed (or addicted to drugs) to work or look for a job, boo hoo. System is messed up, bad. Our society is failing miserably. We need a new party, and it isn't the Tea Party.

Government employees are mostly in unions, and it's so hard to fire one that most managers don't even try anymore. People come in late to work, leave early, refuse to do work they don't like, etc. On the other hand, getting people that can do the job well requires paying market level salaries, and many government entities don't do that either...so they end up with twice the staff and 40% higher labor costs. We are drowning in our own stupidity.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 04:15:18 PM »

Maybe this is the party to join.

http://www.rentistoodamnhigh.org/
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 04:16:38 PM »

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can't speak to the truth of the post, but it's not uncommon for specialists to see patients in the ER especially if they are already in house.  urologists and pregnancy go together often.  a bladder or kidney infection symptoms can mimic the onset of labor and an infection in a pregnant woman is not desireable...even though they seem to be common.

http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/socwork/nrcfcpp/downloads/foster-care-maintenance-payments.pdf

can't vouch for the site, but this might be a starting place.  check tables for base pay but also check extra reimbursement for stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 10:15:43 PM »

Maybe this is the party to join.

http://www.rentistoodamnhigh.org/


No thanks. Just saw this guy on Larry King Live. Quite the character. His web site is now overwhelmed.  grin
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2010, 07:27:30 AM »

winginit writes:
We are drowning in our own stupidity.

tecumseh:
quite correct.  is this another sign that public education has been a failure for 30+ years or has some mysterious malady affected everyone's capacity to answer the simple question... is this real or is this fiction?

I kind of like will roger's take on your statement which goes someting like.... if stupidity got us into this mess, why will stupidity not get us out?
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 12:11:14 PM »

Look, economics 101:  subsidize something and you will get more of it, i.e. unemployment benefits now as long as 99 weeks in some states and look were the unemployment rate is.  Pay women who have babies out of wedlock to stay home and care (Huh)  for their kids and look where the out of wedlock pregnancies rate is.

Somehow the compassion and generosity of the average American for those at the bottom of society has been turned into a free lunch by many (not all). The "Great Society" programs of the 1960s and 70s have  failed miserably and only  made the problems they set out to solve worse. The numbers tell the story.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2010, 01:36:34 PM »

Whether or not this particular story is factual or not is irrelevent.  That type of fraud does exist, if on a much more meager level.

I'd say that what is going on in France is exactly where we are going.

And yet we insist that that path is where we need to be.

Public welfare and public education are a failure (or getting to be that way) exactly because the government is taking over responsibility for children, and the parents are letting them have it.  The children grow up without being taught responsibility.

Sad, but I don't see it changing.  Classes are created with the poor dumb people not taught responsibility, and the leaders who are happy to take the reigns, take the power, profit from it all while driving the country to hell.  Welcome to france.


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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2010, 04:10:39 PM »

Whether or not this particular story is factual or not is irrelevent. 
Seriously? Stereotypes and rants and foaming at the mouth come from BELIEVING these types of stories! Since when do you say some things don't need to be true? If this was a rant against your political views, I believe you would expect it to be based on solid fact.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2010, 04:15:11 PM »

  Welcome to france.




Now that's funny, but true. 
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