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Australian Bees banned from US
« on: September 24, 2010, 05:04:01 PM »
From Kim Flottum:

CATCH THE BUZZ
Australian Bees Supposedly Banned From U.S.
An Editorial:
The Almond Board today sent the message below  to their handlers. We do not yet have confirmation from USDA APHIS and are awaiting official word. But if honey bee importation from Australia is halted, as we have felt it should be from the beginning, the push for bees from somewhere else will intensify. Mention has been made of bees from Mexico or from Canada. The negotiations and dealing to make either of those work will be interesting to watch.
 
If African bees from Mexico are allowed to come to the U.S., will they cause problems in orchards? Will they come as colonies and return, or as packages and simply stay here like the bees from OZ?
 
Would Canada allow U. S. bees to venture north, as honey producers, pollinators or simply as queens in return for the chance at California’s Gold? Would they bring colonies down early in the season…like next month…to overwinter in preparation for spring?
 
But would any of them actually want to come to Almond country and take the CCD gamble?
But the biggest question of all...Will there be enough U.S. bees next spring to meet the needs of the Almond Industry?
 
These scenarios bring out the good, the bad and the ugly side of all of this. Please stay tuned, the outcome will affect your beekeeping and honey packing business this season.
 
From The Almond Board to their Handlers:
We received a heads up that USDA’s Animal Plant and Health Inspection Service (APHIS) will be halting the importation of all honey bees from Australia. The ban will take effect the date the Federal Register Notice appears, which should be in the next 2 weeks.
 
APHIS reconsidered the potential risk that imported Australian honey bees may pose of introducing new pests and diseases to honey bees in the U.S. Based on the continuing spread of a non-native bee (Apis cerana) in Australia and the uncertainties about what new viral diseases it may be spreading among bee populations in Australia, APHIS believes honey bee imports from Australia pose an unacceptable risk of introducing new diseases in the United States.
 
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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 07:31:03 PM »
Looks like us Aussies might finally be able to get some reasonably priced package bees!

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 08:52:47 PM »
Looks like us Aussies might finally be able to get some reasonably priced package bees!
I guess one country's propolis is another country's sweet honey.... or something.  :-D
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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 08:53:12 PM »
http://www.apinews.com/en/news/item/11926-ee-uu-importaecos-de-abelhas-da-australia-pode-ser-proibidas/11926-ee-uu-importaecos-de-abelhas-da-australia-pode-ser-proibidas

May be a good thing.    Life would be so easy with bees if we did not have the bugs that have been imported with them now.  
I don't think you will get many Mexican bees in the Almonds and Canadian bees may be too far to truck in the winter.  It will drive up bee prices here in the US.  

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 09:39:13 PM »
GOOD OL' AMERICAN BEES FOR SALE...just takes a PM :-D

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 01:04:57 AM »
I know bee bans can be illogical in hind site but why risk it?  There is more than one pest that could come from the Aussies.

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 09:02:25 AM »
From anywhere.

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 09:04:14 AM »
There's Apis cerana and Apis dorsata,

Curious - what else is percieved to be a threat from Aussie bee imports to the US?

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2010, 09:17:22 AM »
We could sure do without the pests.

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 10:44:35 AM »
It's the unknown.   We do not know about the mites or the nosemas or the dang beetles or the Israel bee death virus or CCD or (the bird flu) or viruses and other bugs that affect the hive we have not found yet.   Every couple of years there is something else that is making bee keeping more difficult.  And most everything was brought in from over seas. 

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 05:57:47 PM »
There's Apis cerana and Apis dorsata,

Curious - what else is percieved to be a threat from Aussie bee imports to the US?

Other than Apis cerana which is a risk to Oz beekeeping due to it being a carrier of mite (which australia doesn't yet have-but the US does) I dont know of any other conditions that Oz Beekeeping might have that would be a risk to the US market-coz you already have all the diseases we could possibly give you and then some...

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 07:51:26 PM »
Well for one, the always hang up-side-down.

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 09:15:16 PM »
They have VHB?   

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 09:53:55 PM »
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 11:15:25 PM »
Now if they would just ban imported honey, beeks might be able to turn a real profit.
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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2010, 04:32:16 AM »
Given the strength of the Australian dollar over the past few months and the immediate future I don't think that the typical US beekeeper is going to lose not being able to purchase packages. I would be more concerned about some the tainted honey being imported into countries from the those countries that do not monitor chemical loads and other additives or ignore honey export guidelines.

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2010, 08:19:17 AM »
with no australian bee in packages for the almond pollinating bee keepers to rely on expect first to see increased variable price variation in pollination rates followed by increase litigation for any pollinator that cannot perform exactly to what their contract specifies.  after the lawyers have had their way expect to see a flurry of bankrupt beekeepers and lot of bee keeping equipment sold at discount prices to pay for the lawyers.
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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2010, 09:27:22 AM »
with no australian bee in packages for the almond pollinating bee keepers to rely on expect first to see increased variable price variation in pollination rates followed by increase litigation for any pollinator that cannot perform exactly to what their contract specifies.  after the lawyers have had their way expect to see a flurry of bankrupt beekeepers and lot of bee keeping equipment sold at discount prices to pay for the lawyers.

Seems to me that if there aren't enough bees to pollinate the almonds that response by the almond growers would be to shoot themselves in the foot... they won't get many beeks to travel there if they are suing everyone they can.
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Re: Australian Bees banned from US
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2010, 09:47:05 AM »
It's the unknown.   We do not know about the mites or the nosemas or the dang beetles or the Israel bee death virus or CCD or (the bird flu) or viruses and other bugs that affect the hive we have not found yet.   Every couple of years there is something else that is making bee keeping more difficult.  And most everything was brought in from over seas. 

Including the honeybees themselves. :roll:

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2010, 06:35:51 PM »
If I can't ship there, I don't want them here.... ;)
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