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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2010, 09:37:35 AM »

tell you what.   I don't have a favorable opinion about your posts.  so in the interest of trying to not be argumentative,   I will say that I am done replying to you.

enjoy the bees.

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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2010, 10:10:02 AM »

bigbear, it is a typical problem with the left that they have rewritten  history to fit their narrative and then only listen to/read the things that back what they already believe.  if you haven't read Adam Smith, you should.  it's good stuff.  it's also confusing and it's theory.  some parts of economics he seemed to understand, but lots of it drifted toward socialism.

i'd be hard pressed to see how Adam Smith is relevant here.  he's another one who never actually had to test his theory with real life....'

tecumseh i don't care if you carry on.  your passive/aggressive "snips" don't bother me.  i'd only suggest that you study history a little more and not draw your info from Huffington or Democrat.com, because i read those also  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2010, 05:35:43 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2010, 07:26:05 AM »

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wow dude, serious chip on that shoulder huh?

tecumseh:
I suspect from day one that this sounded a bit like projection and it appears I was quite correct.

kathyp writes:
if you haven't read Adam Smith, you should.  it's good stuff.  it's also confusing and it's theory.  some parts of economics he seemed to understand, but lots of it drifted toward socialism.

i'd be hard pressed to see how Adam Smith is relevant here.

tecumseh:
the writings of Adam Smith is thick and totally uninteresting unless you are somewhat to highly an economic geek of one sort or another.  it does yield  some understanding as to what folks understood in regards to economics some 200+ years ago.  his writing has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with socialism... actually his writing is about as far removed from socialism as anyone could image.  so much for some folks reading comprehension.

Adam Smith did make a fairly well referenced quote on the nature of conspiracy.  folks that jump to devaluing others by tossing the CONSPIRACY word would do well to reflect on his quote.

another kathyp snip..
it is a typical problem with the left that they have rewritten  history

tecumseh:
revisionism does not seem to be a total monopoly of the left.  you are making a most excellent case that the shoe fits very well on the other foot also.

 
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2010, 10:00:27 AM »

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his writing has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with socialism... actually his writing is about as far removed from socialism as anyone could image.  so much for some folks reading comprehension.

not so.  he writes about the need for better conditions for workers and for them to have more say in conditions and pay (paraphrased).  when unions came about, those were their demands.  unions and Marxism go hand in hand. 

his thinking was different in that he thought that the rewarded worker would work harder.  he got almost everything right  but that.  the worker only works harder when he is rewarded for his work, not just because he works.
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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2010, 07:46:27 AM »

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unions and Marxism go hand in hand.

tecumseh:
so why does communism in operation (not theory) ALWAYS shut down unions and guilds first?

the snip does suggest, at least to me, that your extreme bias is showing.

it is also quite evident that your understanding of Adam Smith is extremely limited.  most economic historians peg Adam Smith as the earliest apologist for the mercantile class (in Europe).  which is to say he was on the payroll of the merchant class and he pushed their agenda.  at that juncture in time guilds may have existed but unions were not even on the horizon for another 100 years. 

Adam Smith is also commonly considered to be the founding father of market based (sometime call 'free market'* theory)  economic thought.  Adam Smith's work was what folks now might call descriptive science... as such it was not really a testable theory.  Historically 'that' would come about much later.

*free market-- about the best case of oxymoronic word usage one can discover, since it is in total contradiction to some of the basic tenants of market based theory.   
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