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« on: May 28, 2005, 11:11:49 AM »

Guns then knives...... What's next?

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2005, 10:23:04 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 06:29:36 AM »

Cars, darts, cast iron skillets, scissors, nail clippers, sharp pencils, sticks and stones, then words (Oh, I guess we're already on that road).

This issue could be the source of a new movie titled "When liberals control the world; what a wonderful world it could be".
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2005, 10:29:01 PM »

You know grasscutters may not be a bad idea. I hate cutting grass!!!! But really, how the heck are you going to cook with out knives???
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 11:18:36 PM »

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This issue could be the source of a new movie titled "When liberals control the world; what a wonderful world it could be".


These were DOCTORS suggesting the ban, not politicos of any particular bent, liberal or conservative.  Sheesh!

Actually, much of the world IS ruled by liberal governments, and they seem to be doing quite well.  At least, they're minding their own business and keeping themselves out of trouble better than us in the US of A.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 10:58:08 AM »

This made me think of a SOCIAL EXPERIMENT in the forum - one which I will NOT do, but it proves an interesting point.....

Imagine if I chose to ban the word "HATE" using the word filter in the forum and either replace it with BLEEP or some other less HATEFUL word. After all, HATE is a pretty strong word, quite negative when not in context and seemingly bad Karma in general - what would happen?

We would all have to adapt or adopt a different word to use, synonyms are easy enough, but of course ONCE you start banning words, you then must ban other words which replace the banned word, or why bother banning words at all.

Next thing you know, you have hundreds of banned words, many which have nothing to do with the original banned word, but words which are similar in meaning to words which are similar to the dreaded HATE word. So before you know it, thousands of words are banned and the effect is communications no longer achieves its goal - to communicate.

I hate censorship - I have a sizable list of words which are in the banned word filter, neccessary words that we should all agree are NOT needed in a family forum - but in a perfect word, no censorship should be needed, but none of us live in such a world.

But to ban knives because people can be cut or killed with them (as mentioned in previous replies to this topic) opens the door to banning anything and everything that could hurt, mame or kill - frankly, I think that ANYTHING could be used to kill another person.

I'm listening to an audio-book right now which has an elite Delta-Force of specialized killers who use guns designed to shoot packed snow bullets - it makes an ice bullet that either kills or mames the intended victum, then once captured the unconscience victum has handfuls of snow packed into their mouths to completely restrict air, they die within minutes and no sign of a weapon is found, it is fully absorbed into the body or simply melts away.

So lets ban snow, and ice and well... let's save the middleman and just ban water, afterall water can kill you a million ways. At the very least it should be a controlled substance. It is sad times.... Now your home can be taken away, NOT for making room for the improvements to traffic flow, or better building storm walls, etc., but simply for the need to improve local income through taxation, this is the scariest thing I have ever heard.

I'm located in a business/residential zone - imagine if my town decided to reclaim my property to increase the amount of businesses in our town. What recourse would I have if the supreme court is the voice who enacts this concept? I say I have none.

Nope, we are indeed in scary times - credit card companies are starting to charge for printed billing statements (forcing people to do on-line banking) or pay charges as high as $3 a month JUST for the pleasure of receiving their printed statement.

A president who has a smirk on his face that sickens nearly 70% of the population, and who also has lost most of his support in this Iraq venture that is a failure to date. The insurgence grows, the death rate grows, the length of time we will be there grows, as does the price of gas, the cost of living, the possibility of a draft - afterall, how long can you keep screwing over your reservists and enlisted?

The minimum wage hasn't increased in 8 years and remains a sickly $5.15 an hour. But in my area, homes sell for (an average) of $355,000 and a working young couple average $56,400 a year combined. Do the math and realize these young people are being setup for failure - the banks don't care, they just resell the homes again, this time at a higher price as the home value increases.

It is sad times. I've never been a GUN fan, it is something that I don't need in my life - but I don't deny anyone else their right to have arms. I do believe though that ammo should be better regulated than it is. Once someone gets a gun, there is NOTHING to stop them from having unlimited bullets for that weapon, I think that is where the weak link is, in the bullet end - after all, guns don't kill people, bullets do!

So, hide your kitchen knives, and your books - because books are next if stupidity gets its way. I'll just sit here waiting for the MOTHERSHIP to come down and zap all the stupid law-makers with a smart ray and hopefully we can all live without the fear of losing our homes and our lives, especially to the government that we elected to protect us.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 11:15:19 AM »

I would say people kill, after all they have to make the choice to fire the weapon in the first place.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 11:40:27 PM »

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Now your home can be taken away, NOT for making room for the improvements to traffic flow, or better building storm walls, etc., but simply for the need to improve local income through taxation, this is the scariest thing I have ever heard.

I'm located in a business/residential zone - imagine if my town decided to reclaim my property to increase the amount of businesses in our town. What recourse would I have if the supreme court is the voice who enacts this concept? I say I have none.



This ruling really made me sit up and take notice.  I live in an area that is rapidly being encroached upon by developers building clumps of McMansions for the exurbanite hoard.  Two new settlements went in just north of us within the past two years, and another is planned due south of us.  Our neighbor to the east has 11 acres, largely fallow, and although we have approached him about selling us a few acres, he'd rather try to subdivide it and build homes there.  

Every new home that goes up brings thousands of dollars of property tax income to the township and schools.  What do we generate?  Right now, we have our home and our business.  All the structures for the business (2 greenhouses, soon to be 5, plus support buildings) are "farm accesory" buildings, and thus not permanent and not taxed.  Plus there's farmland assessments to the land itself.  I drive past former farmer's fields every day that are now vinyl villages, and more fields get bulldozed every year.  How soon until a developer (our neighbor? a Walmart/Target retailer?) promising higher property tax returns casts his eyes upon our little piece of heaven?  And will we be allowed to say no?  

Yeah, I consider myself liberal.  But I don't really see this as a liberal vs. conservative issue, and we'd all be poorer to allow the Carl Roves of our nation to create such a divide out of it.  And despite my liberal leanings, I can think independently enough to side with the "conservative" dissenters of the Court on this one.

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2005, 10:09:26 AM »

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 But I don't really see this as a liberal vs. conservative issue,

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Paul Harvey said something about this and how we fought communism, brought down the wall, and now, we have communism right in New London, Conn.

This is about our freedom and liberties, that so many have died for, being taken away. We go over seas to fight for other people's freedom, and let it slip out of our hands right here at home.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2005, 11:12:29 AM »

It ins't about liberal v. conservative.
It's about people v. corporate

And our president and most of our legisltors have already been purchased
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2005, 05:38:40 PM »

Rog is right, this is an US against THEM issue and surely THEY are NOT in a position to have their homes torn-down to make room for a super-Walmart or Cost-Cos.

I can't wait for the day (probably 12-14 years from now) when I'll be on the road full time with my lovely wife and any remaining cats that made it to retirement with us.

We'll visit all the places we've dreamed of and eventually settle down "ANYWHERE BUT" New Jersey which has been nothing but a traffic jam for decades now and continues to get worse as every inch of developmental area is turned into residential communities - mostly for retirees, but not aiming for the younger end of the baby boomers with teens.

To show an example, from my home to my late Father-in-Law's home is 11 miles away and takes an average of 55 to 65 minutes to reach during normal traffic and nearly 90 minutes during rush hour. Try that one on for size, you lucky folk who live elsewhere, places I only dream of seeing someday.

I really would love to live a fully portable life, staying a month or two and moving on, but we never know what health issues could prevent that from happening. Eventually, we all need to settle somewhere, but I hope it is a some piece of land, something with very little value (except to us) - a humble acre or two and a nearby town where we have the basics to live a comfortable life in our golden years.

I watch as the men I work with (and have worked with for 16 years) make their way to reptirement and they are moving from their homes into senior communities only miles from the homes they currently own - this is unfathomable to me, but it is what they choose to do.

Give me a stream, some mountains in the distance, a little hilly drive to and from town and neighbors JUST out of eye-sight of my home and I will live comfortable and in a manor that I think befits and does justice to a lifetime of hard work and deserved retirement.

Good luck Kris, I see your situation and understand that it has a real potential for these sickening laws to commandere - and you wonder why people go postal and lose track of all reality. Not that I justify it, no one sane can, but I can see how a family struggling to buy a home JUST to lose it because it would make a better parking lot that a one family dwelling, would or could lose it and I'm afraid that THIS could likely be a common reaction if such reclaimations of property were to become the norm and not the exception.

Good luck all - it is a bumpy ride when the Supreme Court sees LOGIC in this basic rights issue. What could be more of a RIGHT that to have a home, a safe harbor to raise a family and become a good and law abiding citizen?

God help us all if FUNDING the COW (Cost of War) trickles down to local taxaction issues that cause floods of homes to be destroyed for the BETTERMENT of ratables. How foolish we have become.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2005, 05:53:50 PM »

How can you say this isn't about liberal vs. conservative politics?
It is precisely about such!  Your beloved liberal judges gave us this ruling because the end result of liberalism is communism via socialism.
Hey folks, don't run from it now.  You're getting exactly what conservatives have warned about for generations.  The liberal judges alone came up with this government-knows-best ruling, period.  It is surprising that they were willing to be so bold.  Hopefully, it will wake some voters up and produce a viable 3rd party candidate.  Who knows?  All I can say is "I've had enough"! evil   No more Rep. or Dem. voting for me.
Oh and by the way, please don't refer to the current President as a conservative.  He may be a republican but he's no conservative.  

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