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Offline Pete

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Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« on: August 25, 2010, 11:07:17 PM »
I wonder if any TBH builder consider the Golden Mean or the mathematical constant Phi to calculate your hive shape?

It's possible that using the Phi ratio to build your TBH might provide the bees with the absolute best chance of building the strongest and most bountiful comb according to the laws of nature?

Interested to know if anyone has considered this?

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 11:23:40 PM »
the folks at backyard hive have one that supposedly uses this.

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 12:15:06 PM »
I did not consider the Golden Mean and I'm quite certain that bees do not as well...
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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 07:24:57 PM »
How about working with hexagon geometry? I'm sure someone's tried it.

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 05:55:24 PM »
Scott McPherson seems convinced that keeping the angle of the sides the same as the angle of the cells makes a difference in attachments.  I'm not convinced.
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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 09:54:22 AM »
How about working with hexagon geometry? I'm sure someone's tried it.
  I am very New to Bees and Top bars but my thought is If you Build a TBH and take the V and make it in a Hex
 The Bee's will attach their comb to the sides of the Hive and render it From removing  any Comb
 If they didn't attach anything But the Top bar
 How would you go about Lifting the bar of comb out
 Or Am I Just missing the whole Idea here ,If so the Laugh is on Me
 won't be a first  :roll:

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2010, 03:42:14 PM »
I wonder if any TBH builder consider the Golden Mean or the mathematical constant Phi to calculate your hive shape?

I believe the original Warre Hive dimensions where based on the Golden Mean.


I'm thinking it is a purely coincidental that my warre hive produced 1.6x more honey than the Langstroth next to it  :evil:
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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2010, 05:12:38 PM »

I'm thinking it is a purely coincidental that my warre hive produced 1.6x more honey than the Langstroth next to it  :evil:

Is that a one time observation? Or repeated?

Do you use removable frames in your Warre?

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 06:35:33 PM »
robo, i'm curious if in general you find hives next to one another produce the same ammount?

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Re: Golden Ratio Top Bar Hive
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 09:34:08 PM »
I'm thinking it is a purely coincidental that my warre hive produced 1.6x more honey than the Langstroth next to it  :evil:

whoa, whoa everyone.  That was my bad attempt at sarcasm...  Golden Rule - 1.6

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Do you use removable frames in your Warre?

Nope, flat bars.  The warre bars are short enough that they don't seem to curve the comb,  and with the space between them, centering the comb on the bars doesn't seem to be an issue either.

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robo, i'm curious if in general you find hives next to one another produce the same ammount?
Nope, every hive is different,  depending on the strength and population.   Some yards will be better than others,  but there can be quite the variance in a given yard.
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