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« on: August 10, 2010, 08:44:19 PM »

I really like my tbh's(I have five now) planning on expanding next year. hopefully I will be able to winter them ok and be able to do splits in the spring. possibly buy some packages. I am thinking one day I would like to do it full time. doing mainly cut comb?  I have family here in NC also FL and NY. how hard would traveling with TBH's be for pollination?. I have read that Les Crowder  keeps 200 TBH's and also does almonds? how many TBH's is doable for one man and his wife(she helps with all but handling the bees)?

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 06:42:50 PM »

thinkin more bout it today, might make the switch to foundation-less langs. what ya think?
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 08:17:11 PM »

Or langs with just starter strips.   I bet there are a lot of pollinators do that.  Lang boxes are easier to move around. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 08:37:14 PM »

Or langs with just starter strips.  Lang boxes are easier to move around. 
kinda what I been thinkin also
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 08:47:26 PM »

the reason langs are easier to use for portability is because of the frames supporting the entire comb.

otherwise, you have a hive similar to a Warre style which is just a top bar.  The weight of the comb bouncing around on a truck bed is enough to collapse it without the support of the frame around it.

if you try to move comb not in a frame like that, you really want to keep an eye on how new it is.  newer comb is softer and more liable to collapse from the weight and activity.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 09:00:14 PM »

do you think foundation less frames in a lang hive would work ok?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 09:38:33 PM »

Foundationless frames with a starter strip. Yes.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 10:00:27 PM »

I think so.  That's what  I use in langs is foundationless frames and they travel just fine as long as there is attachment on at least 3 sides.

I use wedge top frames, break out the wedge and turn it sideways.  They draw just fine from that.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 10:22:45 PM »

I have thousands of foundationless frames in langs...

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfoundationless.htm
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 08:39:02 AM »

I'm satisfied they would work for a pollination gig. Just want to reiterate that comb age and temperature would be considerations when they are under transport though.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 09:57:52 PM »

Having driven semi trucks of bees interstate, and knowing what kind of bumps I have hit, I would definitely use cross wires if I were going foundationless.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 10:49:48 PM »

i have driven the truck across fields with supers full of foundationless frames.  as long as they are attached, they are fine.  i have never even lost one that wasn't fully attached.  only time i have broken them is if i got stupid during inspection and tipped them sideways when they were full and only attached on the top.  they will break then, especially on a really warm day!
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 11:09:42 PM »

There might be a small bit of difference in a mile at 3 MPH and 1300 miles at 70 MPH.  grin

And I-94 through Chicago would make the normal pasture feel as smooth as an ice rink.  shocked
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2010, 09:29:48 AM »

I-94 through Chicago would make the normal pasture feel as smooth as an ice rink.  shocked


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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 12:44:17 AM »

If you like the build your own/less heavy box lifting side of the TBH, you might consider a long hive.  Think of a box that's wide enough and has a rabbet to hold standard frames (foundationless), but 4 feet long like a top hive.  I think they're the best of both worlds.

...Except for portability, that is.  If your vision of going full-time with beekeeping involves traveling for pollination, then yeah, I think langs with foundationless frames are the way to go.  I love my long hive, but darn is it heavy and unwieldy!

I read a stat somewhere that suggested one person could work 100-150 hives with 40 hours a week.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 07:05:32 AM »

>I read a stat somewhere that suggested one person could work 100-150 hives with 40 hours a week.

I run 200 and have a lot less time than that..
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 03:51:46 PM »

Depends on the man and his wife...
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 08:10:11 PM »

For about 8 to 10 years in the 70s-80s I run about 200 hives and had a 40 to 45 Hr a week job.




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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2010, 08:52:32 PM »

>>>>Depends on the man and his wife...<<<<

Does that mean 200 with man and wife, and 300 with wife alone?  huh
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 06:52:28 PM »

>>>>Depends on the man and his wife...<<<<

Does that mean 200 with man and wife, and 300 with wife alone?  huh
Sure Cheesy

Just pointing out that this question is a bit general. People vary hugely in what they can do in certain amounts of time, whether they get more done with their spouse or without, etc.
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2010, 11:05:52 AM »

It all depends on how much you streamline your methods.  I now have 200 hives and a full time job and manage entirely by myself.  I could not have done that with the methods I was using when I had between 4 and 7 hives...
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