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« on: August 05, 2010, 03:54:19 PM »

Just when you've had enough of listening to Obama, he now doesn't bother telling us how he is going to "Create or save" X amount of jobs, now he's to busy just trashing the Right on every podium he stands.

His latest catch phrase, the Just say NO! party (anyone who doesn't agree with his wishes) is winding up for the next election - he's already campaigning heavy, just a tad subliminally.

Shame on him for blanket saying that everyone is against, better jobs in all industries, heathcare, economy, living the American dream. I guess we are not capitolists but zealists if we want to keep what we earn and earn what we keep. I'd rather have a job and live just at my means than to struggle making it on state aid. But that makes me a non conformist in his view, shame on me for not supporting Wealth Distribution in our country, although it exists and has for a very long time.

My brother lived 21 years with the worse Cerebral Palsy you have ever seen, he could do nothing for himself, not speak, walk or even hold something in his hands - but he never qualified for help because he died in 1984, in the days of Affrimitive Action jobs, and second generation welfare (we are in the 4-5th gen now) unless you popped out kids like puppies you weren't getting any help. My dad worked until he bled just to pay for hospital bills - he was a simple man, with a fifth grade education, never having health insurance.

So we will THANKFULLY have the money to help that 5%-7% of people who CAN NOT support themselves in any fashion due to ligitimate health issues, and another 20% that milk the system with lies and contrived lives that qualify for assistance.

I feel for the millions of people who are NO longer being counted as UNEMPLOYED because their benefits have ran out. The unemployment censis numbers every month are BS and need over hauling, except one thing - no politician wants to hear that unemployment might be 3 times more than they report.

I'm ranting, I just wonder how far will Obama go to shame opponents into voting his way?! The left and the Right, just keep getting leftier and righier and everyone falls through the cracks and goes boom. I don't think this economy will improve for at least 10 years, just take a look at the 911 Ground Zero site on a cam - it is disgraceful to see that it looks the same as it did in 2002.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 07:21:11 PM »

       Your saying John that I dont have to rush back to New York to see the the progress on Ground Zero. Maybe the big hole could be left forever as a reminder to the world of 911.
        I still remember your dismay at what you saw two years ago, so perhaps that people talking about the big hole and what is not happening may keep bringing up the memory of 911 a bit longer.
        The visions of what we viewed on TV then are still as vivid to me today.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 07:48:17 PM »

john, whatever you think of his political views, obama is not a leader.   he's a cheerleader.  big difference.  he came into office with a checklist of things he wanted to get done.  he's been pretty successful. 
many on the left are disappointed that he hasn't ended wars, blessed gay everything, etc.  what they don't realize is that those things are not on the list...never were.  they have nothing to do with furthering his agenda. 

he did have a mandate, it's just that most people on the left and on the right didn't realize what it was.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 08:20:57 PM »

       Your saying John that I dont have to rush back to New York to see the the progress on Ground Zero. Maybe the big hole could be left forever as a reminder to the world of 911.
       

Or we could build a Mosque near there to celebrate a certain victory as seen by a certain group of people, just because they have a right to do that even if it is in bad taste.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 09:15:46 AM »

Your father was MOTIVATED. And he passed that on to you like my dad did to me.  And as hard as it was, I'll bet he was blessed, and so were you and your brother.

To bad the government (headed up by our cheerleader) is trying to provide everybody everything removing all their MOTIVATION.  And thereby gaining control.

It is amazing what we can do when motivated.  Even when that motivation is negative, we can do great things and be much better off from the trial.  It is an easy thing to say when I'm not in a trial, but I can sure look back at trials and appreciate them.  Superballs can sure go high, but unless they hit the pavement pretty hard they'll just roll.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 10:34:22 AM »

hang in there folks.  the madness cannot go on much longer.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 12:21:55 PM »

Scads:

Not sure if you ever read this page, I made it back about a month after my father died, I think everyone has a story and I did this for him. Hope you check it out if you haven't.

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2010, 10:03:53 PM »

"obama is not a leader.   he's a cheerleader.  big difference." 

Obama is a con artist, and the media helped his smoke and mirrors road show. angry
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2010, 11:13:35 AM »



  I am astonished that a man that can run such a flawless campaign be such an ineffective manager. He is blinded by his ideology.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2010, 09:58:24 PM »

He is not blinded by his ideology and he is doing a good job at turning the country into what he believes a socialist nation should be.  He is following what happened to Europe 50 years ago.   So if we keep this up, it 50 years, we should turn back to the way we were as Europe is turning away from socialism. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 07:25:37 AM »



  I am astonished that a man that can run such a flawless campaign be such an ineffective manager. He is blinded by his ideology.

David

I'm sure he had a very competent manager, and who knows how many coaches telling him not to tilt his head too high and how to point his finger in a masculine but not overbearing way - which way to look for the teleprompters, etc...
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2010, 10:22:54 AM »

I am deeply disapointed by the fact that this bee forum wallows in the mud of political partisanship.

I keep telling myself to stay away from off topic discussions, but somehow I never learn.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2010, 12:33:54 PM »

if you notice, this is a separate section for the discussion of things other than bees.  we would welcome your input, but if you do not like the discussions, we welcome you not to join in.  the exchange of ideas here is meant to be civil and sometimes it's an outlet for our frustrations.  it is not designed to be a place where people will always agree with each other.

partisan politics, whichever side you fall on, are part of life. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 02:16:24 PM »

I am deeply disapointed by the fact that this bee forum wallows in the mud of political partisanship.

I keep telling myself to stay away from off topic discussions, but somehow I never learn.


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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 07:39:28 PM »

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partisan politics, whichever side you fall on, are part of life


sad but true. 

especially for people who want nothing to do with either crooked, corrupt side and are basically just being taken for a ride by the thugs hijacking the bus.

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 08:18:49 PM »

bigbear, your earlier post made me thing if something.  if people honestly disagree about policy, and the left and right do, how can they (we) not take sides.  taking the side that you agree with necessarily leads to partisan politics.  i was wondering how you thought it could be avoided?

i have heard people say that if politicians would just do what's best for the country.....but therein lies the disagreement.  there is a big difference between what liberals and conservatives believe is good for the country.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 08:22:08 PM »

I agree that Obama has been fairly ineffective, but if you are being honest with yourself, the Republicans (in Congress and the House, not necessarily the folks on the street) have been the PARTY OF NO.  Even when Obama has given them exactly what they've asked for, they suddenly jump ship and say HE's being unreasonable and they don't want what they asked for anymore.  They did that time and again during the health care debate.

As for the New York mosque issue.  Ask yourself, would we even be having this debate if (granted it's a BIG if) 911 had never happened.  Of course we wouldn't.  Freedom of religion would win out.  So, any objections to it are emotional pure and simple, and have NO basis in law or the U.S. Constitution.  It really is that simple.

And let's get this straight once and for all.  The building is NOT on the site of Ground Zero, it's blocks way.  If three blocks is too close today, then who is to say a few years from now 10 blocks is too close.  Thenhen Queens is too close.  Next it'll be Nebraska is too close.  And finally we just can't stand having them in the U.S., period. And presto change-o, we are not the country we once were.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 08:30:48 PM »

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Even when Obama has given them exactly what they've asked for, they suddenly jump ship and say HE's being unreasonable and they don't want what they asked for anymore.  They did that time and again during the health care debate.

can you provide some examples of them being given what they want and saying he's unreasonable?  or changing their minds?  you don't even have to stick to the health care debate.

here is what the 1st amendment says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

it has no bearing on the building of the mosque or the states decisions about where these things can be done.  even if you thought it did, 9/11 DID happen, so the building of this mosque in this area is naturally suspect.  if the issue was healing wounds, it has failed before it has been built.  it that was the goal, they'd do better to voluntarily put it elsewhere.  because they are insisting on this site, people are suspicious of the real reason.

 
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If three blocks is too close today, then who is to say a few years from now 10 blocks is too close.  Thenhen Queens is too close.  Next it'll be Nebraska is too close.  And finally we just can't stand having them in the U.S., period. And presto change-o, we are not the country we once were.


would be nice to prove or disprove your theory. since there are many, many mosques in NY already, i suspect you are wrong.  in fact, i'm sure many have been built in other places since 9/11 with not a peep out of anyone.

elaborate on  "the country we once were" please. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2010, 08:39:30 PM »

Kathy,  I don't argue that there are not going to be disagreements in how to get things done, direction, etc..

However,   I believe that these two particular parties have gone beyond discussing what is best for everyone in the whole country and are more focused on what they want to do to meet their own agenda, whether other people agree or disagree.

It's not a discussion anymore, it's propaganda and rhetoric without substance.

Neither of the two parties is taking their cue from "the people" but are instead transposing their own agenda and platform onto everyone else.  It's a power struggle of would be ruling parties instead of a coalition of citizens hammering out something that respects everyone.

That is my concern with the current two party system.  both parties have forgotten their place and instead of serving the nation, they want to rule it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2010, 08:50:52 PM »

to some extent, i agree.  i think it would be good for all of us to get rid of the old guard from both parties and get some new blood in there.  still, because of the major differences in ideology, the same split will exist....just with  new people.  it has always been like that.  go back to the arguments of congress at the beginning of the country.  it was the same.

it's less about the parties i think.  more about people who can not, and will not, compromise in deeply held beliefs.  i am among them.  i do not want compromisers representing me.  i want constitutionalists.  i will not back down from that.  there are those on the left that believe just as deeply that we need more socialist policies.  they will not back down.  these things need to be fought out and....the voters will eventually decide (if they are paying attention) with their next vote.
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