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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2010, 08:43:45 PM » |
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illegal aliens contributing members of society? Really? In what way? The complaint is they get free medical, education, welfare and don't pay a dime in taxes.
So anyway, once they are legal guess what, no more working for less than minimum wage. So other illegals will have to come in to replace them.
If/when amnesty runs out they will still have to be hunted down and deported. Same boat we are in now but several million dollars later.
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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2010, 08:52:49 PM » |
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oh yes, because we all know only republicans engage in partisan politicking, grandstanding, deliberately being obstinate so the "other side" doesn't get their way. OH no, Democrats have NEVER done that have they?
sorry, neither party in my opinion is worth a sheep's fart.
people who play partisan politics are only playing games with the American peoples lives and money for their own gain.
We need to get rid of both of those bunches of crooks and get people who give their allegiance to all of the people of this country and the Constitution. period.
the democrat and republican parties should be tried for treason and every card carrying member either deported or hung at dawn.
just my two cent.
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2010, 09:35:57 PM » |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2010, 09:57:23 PM » |
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I read something about a fence they planned to build that would only cover 700 miles. It is thought to cost about 42 billion dollars over the next 25 years to build and maintain. I believe it will cost a lot more than that as it will be getting destroyed every day.
But think about hiring 19,600 more people to patrol the border for 25 years and their yearly wage is 100,000 dollars
19,600
x 25
x100,000
equals $49,000,000,000
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« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2010, 10:13:37 PM » |
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There is a lot of politics on the table over this. Lindsay Graham pulled his support for an energy bill because he wanted immigration to be up first. Now that energy is dead until after the election, maybe immigration could move. On the other hand, if Republicans start grandstanding against amnesty, there will be no bill until after the election.
If you add the word Democrates before or after Republicans you will have the root cause of America's problem Keith |
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« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2010, 10:29:02 PM » |
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kathy, perhaps I was not specific enough, when I say "card carrying" I am referring to the criminals with the audacity to run for public office, not the folks who simply expect representatives to do their jobs.
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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2010, 01:40:54 AM » |
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Jerry, 99% of the time, as far as my own opinion goes, as long as Congress is deadlocked and getting nothing done - it means thay aren't doing anything else TO US.
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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2010, 04:32:33 PM » |
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When I worked in the southern half of Az a few years ago, I wanted to sentence all illegals that we caught, to 90 days of fence building before kicking them back across the border... No one would listen...
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« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2010, 04:20:07 PM » |
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When I worked in the southern half of Az a few years ago, I wanted to sentence all illegals that we caught, to 90 days of fence building before kicking them back across the border... No one would listen...
Great idea! Too bad the "powers that be" can't be a sensible as you and I... |
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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2010, 05:29:40 PM » |
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I think one of the requirements of a politician is to have your forebrain removed, hense no common sense.  |
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« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2010, 09:56:22 AM » |
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The biggest problem with what Ariz. wants to do it it creates a need for everyone to "show their papers", much like Nazi Germany.
Instead of this path, they should take on the task of defending the Ariz. southern border. The Governor could recall her National Guard troops from federal service and deploy them with live weapons where needed.
After a few dozen illegals are shot and killed, the rest of them will stop crossing into Ariz.
The feds can whine and cry all they want but since they do not enforce the border, the state is obligated to do it. See:
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
"No State shall, ........ engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
The Mexican drug gangs are ARMED INVADERS, it is perfectly proper for the Ariz. Governor to defend her Citizens and their property, since Obama prefers to not stop them, but let them in, so they can eventually become Democrat voters.
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« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2010, 10:12:42 AM » |
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The only notice that needs to be given is a few planes over-flying the border, dripping out 10s of thousands of leaflets that say:
ATENCIÓN: Si usted cruzar ilegalmente hacia Arizona, será fusilado!
las tropas de Arizona son la defensa de la frontera con fuego real!
No dejarán de hacer preguntas, ellos te disparen!
NO cruzar la frontera ilegalmente hacia Arizona.
Se le ha dado AVISO LEGAL.
ATTENTION: If you cross illegally into Arizona, YOU WILL BE SHOT!
Arizona troops are defending the border with LIVE AMMUNITION!
They will not stop you to ask questions, they will shoot you!
DO NOT CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY INTO ARIZONA.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN LEGAL NOTICE.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2010, 11:43:23 AM » |
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The only notice that needs to be given is a few planes over-flying the border, dripping out 10s of thousands of leaflets that say:
ATENCIÓN: Si usted cruzar ilegalmente hacia Arizona, será fusilado!
las tropas de Arizona son la defensa de la frontera con fuego real!
No dejarán de hacer preguntas, ellos te disparen!
NO cruzar la frontera ilegalmente hacia Arizona.
Se le ha dado AVISO LEGAL.
ATTENTION: If you cross illegally into Arizona, YOU WILL BE SHOT!
Arizona troops are defending the border with LIVE AMMUNITION!
They will not stop you to ask questions, they will shoot you!
DO NOT CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY INTO ARIZONA.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN LEGAL NOTICE.
This is the obama administrations idea of how illegal immigrants should be dealt with. http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/4083/blmwarningsign.jpg |
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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2010, 12:28:55 PM » |
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The biggest problem with what Ariz. wants to do it it creates a need for everyone to "show their papers", much like Nazi Germany.
You are stopped by a traffic cop and asked to show your driver's license. Is that Nazi Germany? You are stumbling down the street and are asked for ID to prove you are who you say you are, Is that Nazi tactics? A big bar fight and everyone is arrested, you can bet they will be identified before they are released. This showing ID goes on everyday many thousands of times a day. So I guess what you are saying is we need to toss all our IDs into the trash cause it has shades of Nazism all over it? |
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« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2010, 12:32:24 PM » |
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Jerymac:
"So I guess what you are saying is we need to toss all our IDs into the trash cause it has shades of Nazism all over it?"
Perhaps you might enjoy looking up the definition of "hyperbole".
Cheers!
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« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2010, 01:06:43 PM » |
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MagicValley:
Perhaps you might enjoy looking up the definition of "hyperbole".
Maybe you should look up the words identification and authorization. You can't get onto a plane or in a courthouse without it. It is required everyday for legals, so why not for illegals. Are criminals more privileged than legals?
According to Obummer and the dumocrats, they seem to think so.
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« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2010, 01:12:23 PM » |
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My wife is legal - she's required to carry her green card on her at all times. By the federal Government.
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« Reply #78 on: August 07, 2010, 01:23:52 PM » |
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The biggest problem with what Ariz. wants to do it it creates a need for everyone to "show their papers", much like Nazi Germany. while i agree with you on most of your post, this part is not accurate. if you are here legally on a work permit or visa you are already required to carry that info. if you are a citizen and you are stopped without ID you may not be arrested, but you will certainly be detained until your ID can be verified. any law can be taken to extremes. the difference between a nation of laws and a totalitarian government is only a matter of degrees. |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2010, 05:54:39 PM » |
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Jerymac:
"So I guess what you are saying is we need to toss all our IDs into the trash cause it has shades of Nazism all over it?"
Perhaps you might enjoy looking up the definition of "hyperbole".
Cheers!
Greg
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