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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #100 on: July 14, 2010, 05:42:56 PM »
My original comment was about Freddie Mercury.. I think Kathy you need to remember the days of GAY CANCER and the years when men were uncertain what was happening, and to many it was years and years of this behavior, it was just too late before anyone knew what it was. To those already effected, what difference did it really make?  If you do something that you find out too late will kill you, I don't think you deserve anything as harsh as the death penalty.

My point is, so now now that we know cigarettes kill our lungs and brains, fast food and poly-fats clog arteries and kill our hearts, lead to obesity and opens the door for diabetes and so much more. Does LIVE FREE OR DIE think all these people deserve what they get too, should everyone who chooses a less than perfect life style "Deserve" what they get? Should we all eat carrots and 4 ounces of protein at any meal, and not an ounce more. Not sure about anyone here, but if my wife served me a 4 ounce steak, I'd jump in the car and go out to dinner.

Sure, we should be accountable for our actions, does anyone live a perfect life style, aren't there a million additions out there, aren't humans by their very nature addicts to something, from heroin to God, people need crutches.

If I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, then I deserve to die - but if I choose a BigMac and Fries, I don't think I deserve to executed for the crime.
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #101 on: July 14, 2010, 06:00:48 PM »
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I think Kathy you need to remember the days of GAY CANCER and the years when men were uncertain what was happening, and to many it was years and years of this behavior, it was just too late before anyone knew what it was. To those already effected, what difference did it really make?  If you do something that you find out too late will kill you, I don't think you deserve anything as harsh as the death penalty.

don't think i said he deserved the death penalty.  if we make bad choices and those choices result in injury to ourselves, it's on us.  if we make bad choices that result in injury to others, that's a different thing.  unprotected sex is risky to many.  unprotected sex in the homosexual community, especially the male homosexual community, has always been risky.  that's not a PC thing to say, but it is a fact.  besides the usual STD's, that community has been riddled with various types of hepatitis, drug use and associated diseases, etc.  so even pre aids, it was a bad choice.

i don't care that he was gay or bisexual.  i do care that he joined a segment of that population that has shown wanton disregard for their own wellbeing and the wellbeing of others.  maybe he didn't deserve to get aids, but his behavior invited the disease. 

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #102 on: July 14, 2010, 08:13:20 PM »
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i do care that he joined a segment of that population that has shown wanton disregard for their own wellbeing and the wellbeing of others. 

What, rock and rollers?  :-D

I question anyone's assumption that being gay is a choice.  Ever seen bonobo sexual behavior?  They are our closest living relatives and share 99% of our DNA.

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #103 on: July 14, 2010, 08:31:57 PM »
I question anyone's assumption that we Humans have a close relative that is a miniature Chimpanzee  :-D, but I guess that is off the topic of queen marking...
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #104 on: July 14, 2010, 08:45:19 PM »
You're right, Hethen, our closest is at least a full sized one, not a miniature. 
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #105 on: July 14, 2010, 09:10:37 PM »
being gay may or may not be a choice.  risky sexual behavior is.
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #106 on: July 14, 2010, 11:26:39 PM »
How this thread went from marking queen bees to the track it's on now is beyond me.

wow.

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #107 on: July 14, 2010, 11:44:47 PM »
happens   :-D
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2010, 12:26:58 AM »
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i do care that he joined a segment of that population that has shown wanton disregard for their own wellbeing and the wellbeing of others. 

What, rock and rollers?  :-D

I question anyone's assumption that being gay is a choice.  Ever seen bonobo sexual behavior?  They are our closest living relatives and share 99% of our DNA.

So does a dandelion... :roll:
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2010, 12:42:47 AM »
Does LIVE FREE OR DIE think all these people deserve what they get too, should everyone who chooses a less than perfect life style "Deserve" what they get?

Short answer ...Yes. No one says you have to live a perfect lifestyle, I sure as heck don't, but every decision I have made is on ME. I am not blaming Mcdonalds because I and not a male model, because I will have a couple double cheeseburgers once in a while, even though I know it isn't the greatest thing for me. Anyone that continues a behavior after knowing it's bad effects is gambling, and even before knowing it was bad, YOU still make choices.
I was a smoker for 30 years, got pleurisy a few years ago from an unrelated activity, the pain was incredible. At first thought it was a heart attack, after two days, and still being upright thought...oh no...lung cancer....finally after a diagnosis, the ordeal scared me enough to put them down for good. Been three years, but you know what, they still could kill me, and that would be on ME, not the cigarette companies. I chose to smoke all that time.
I have had co-workers in the past who were gay, ( I worked for Fedex for many years, the company is loaded with gays ) most of the non militant ones were very nice people. I don't wish anything bad for any of them, but if it happens, it is on THEM, THEY chose to continue risky behavior, or engage in it in the first place.
As far as the chimp statement? Our brains enable us to reason and choose, the chimp acts on instinct, and pointing to that is a total apples to oranges comparison. The reason we are at the top of the food chain is because we can REASON and choose, and deny ourselves that which is risky.

I know this went off topic, and I am glad there was a little leeway given by the moderators, sometimes tangents provoke great thought and allow everyone to know each other a little better. I am also happy that everyone can speak their opinion and then agree to disagree without a full out flame war. Mature crowd here, and that is refreshing.
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2010, 01:09:26 AM »
we have mods who smack us when we get out of hand.  i try to be good.  my  husband hates it when i leave the computer and have a hand print on my face  :evil:
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2010, 02:59:02 AM »
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I worked for Fedex for many years

Wait...what..Oh yea, I have worked for FedEx the last 13 years....at the ramp... not to many out here!

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2010, 04:07:21 AM »
I've been busy for a day, and I must say I was a little surprised when I checked in again here, that my attempt to lighten up things a little with this silly queen picture ended up with a discussion of gay sex.  I didn't see THAT coming  :shock:

It is summer, folks!  Smell some flowers and watch the bees collect nectar.  Does wonders for your mind :-)


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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2010, 07:46:10 AM »
I've been busy for a day, and I must say I was a little surprised when I checked in again here, that my attempt to lighten up things a little with this silly queen picture ended up with a discussion of gay sex.  I didn't see THAT coming  :shock:

It is summer, folks!  Smell some flowers and watch the bees collect nectar.  Does wonders for your mind :-)



Personally, I think it was the picture of queen that caused the reaction and discussion. Unless your suggesting the queen mother is gay....  :roll:

But lets face facts. This was a discussion of marking queens. That's pretty "gay" to start with. May be ok for the ladies, but dudes running around with nail polish in their pockets, painting up the "queens" is about as "gay" as it comes.  :-D

After this discussion, we can now forever state "marking queens is gay!"   :lau:  And telling these "weekend"

dudes  :rainbowflower: to smell some flowers just might push them into full flame mode........ ;)

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2010, 09:04:30 AM »
Thank you Bjorn for a most enjoyable string and your thoughtful posts.

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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #115 on: July 15, 2010, 09:46:58 AM »
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I worked for Fedex for many years

Wait...what..Oh yea, I have worked for FedEx the last 13 years....at the ramp... not to many out here!

The Courier corp is loaded. Out of a 32 person station we had 7, that is a pretty hefty percentage, and over many classes from dangerous goods specialist to International Shipping Specialist, the classes were about 30% or better. Not a problem though, Fedex is a class company and the employees are or at least were, of the highest caliber.
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #116 on: July 15, 2010, 09:56:10 AM »
Sure, Bjorn, typical, when you feel like you are losing an argument to pull the insults out of the argument bag!!  :-P

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Funny how you can make comments like that when you like hanging out with girls!!  Me too!  Thousands of them!
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #117 on: July 15, 2010, 03:47:42 PM »
To someone's point NO... I do NOT believe being gay is a CHOICE, no more than being straight. Having gay or straight sex IS a choice I would say, but orientation, I don't think we can control. I've always thought there are a lot of Bi people in the world (after all most the gays work for Fed-Ex - well neary 25% do)  :roll: Must be the sashaying from door to door makes them exemplary expedious employees. and no one still thinks much of two women being all touchy-feely with each other.

LiveFree, I hear everything you say, I still think you are a bit strange (coming from the middle rightas I do), but I have tons of issues too and have no room to talk about others.

Kathy, Name the moderators that give you any guff and I'll deal with them myself  :imsorry: Just doing my job.

I thought long and hard about splitting this post, but a year or two from now, someone is going to read it for the first time and it sure will be an interesting read!
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #118 on: July 15, 2010, 04:04:44 PM »
the mods do a great job and i have only been slapped down when i deserved it.  lets see...who did that?  someone named....beemaster!   :evil:  just kidding, dear.....

it is interesting and i think you are probably right for the most part.  we are at least predisposed in our attractions.  however, most of the lesbians i have known have chosen women over men after some trauma with men.  usually some kind of abuse.  can't think of any gay men i know at the moment, but those i have known in the past had usually been married at one time and had kids.  at some point, they realized they were gay.  seems to be a difference in how the men and women get there.

i am not a big fan of evolution, but i do believe there are genetic changes that take place through adaptation.  perhaps if parts of the tribe were excluded from mating, they turned to members of their own sex for gratification.  we are genetically driven to mate for the purpose of procreation.  the mating drive is very strong.

how's that for going out in the weeds?   :evil:
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Re: Why mark queens?
« Reply #119 on: July 15, 2010, 05:39:57 PM »
(after all most the gays work for Fed-Ex - well neary 25% do)  :roll: Must be the sashaying from door to door makes them exemplary expedious employees.

Not 25% of the population Beemaster, about 25-30% of the employees there, and it wasn't an issue, people could openly admit it, as Fedex would not have tolerated bias against them, and rightly so, we were all there to do a job, and everyone there pitched in and did it without sexual orientation being an issue. Yes, most of the gay employees were very good couriers. It wasn't an issue because Fedex wouldn't allow it to be an issue, everyone got treated the same.


LiveFree, I hear everything you say, I still think you are a bit strange (coming from the middle rightas I do), but I have tons of issues too and have no room to talk about others.

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