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Offline Keith13

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Controversial remarks??
« on: July 07, 2010, 05:59:20 AM »
I was just taking time out of my day to flip through stars and stripes newspaper the military newspaper. As I was flipping through I noticed Carrie Prejean got married last Friday to Kyle Boller the Oakland Raiders QB. Now that wasn't what caught my eye what caught my eye was the 2ND to last sentence in the article. I quote "The bride 23 made headlines last year after making controversial remarks during the Miss USA pageant that marriage should be between a man and a woman". WHAAATTTT? Since when is it a controversy for a man and a woman to marry each other? It was an associated press article reprinted by stars and stripes. I just am not understanding the world today.

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Re: Controversial remarks??
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 06:41:04 AM »
To me (and I am just a simple country boy) you have to look at where all of that kind of crap is originating from, and crap sells newspapers to boot.

I am with you on I don't understand some things also :?

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Re: Controversial remarks??
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 09:10:35 AM »
This stuff is rampant today. Most comes from the left, elitist, liberal agenda.

On Fox just this morning, two strategists were debating the Arizona immigration law. The Democrap commented  along the lines "Gov Brewer does not even have a college degree, so who is she to make policy"

What?

Since when does one have to be college educated to run for ANY public office in this country? I think what we need is MORE common folks, lacking the college indoctrination of elitism and class envy, and based more on common sense and service. The liberal democrat viewpoint expressed by this "guest" on the news, shows the mindset and attitude of not this one strategist, but I'm sure the larger agenda since they all play off the same playbook.

Imagine that....don't discuss policy or law...but attack Gov. Brewer because she lacks some perceived required education to hold and serve a public office. Academia elitism stinks.

Yesterday there was a report that teacher unions were not happy with the Obama administration. That public opinion was at an all time low with teachers, unions, etc. Some of this of course is due to the lack of full support from Obama in regards to union voting policies, etc. But they also blame Obama in creating an atmosphere of negativity against the broader unions, and teachers in particular. (GO NEW JERSEY GOVENOR....GO!)

So one day, teacher unions are upset with obama for public perception. The next day, democrat strategists attack not just Gov Brewer for not being college educated, but the average hard working "Joe" who happens to be in the same boat.

Just Crazy..... :shock:
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Re: Controversial remarks??
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 09:42:28 AM »
when unable to debate the facts they attempt to diminish the facts or the source.  liberals are quite easy to understand.
something is "controversial" because they say it is.   just as in the new TSA internet directives, they get to decide which sites are controversial.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 10:14:57 AM »
This stuff is rampant today. Most comes from the left, elitist, liberal agenda.

On Fox just this morning, two strategists were debating the Arizona immigration law. The Democrap commented  along the lines "Gov Brewer does not even have a college degree, so who is she to make policy"

What?

Since when does one have to be college educated to run for ANY public office in this country? I think what we need is MORE common folks, lacking the college indoctrination of elitism and class envy, and based more on common sense and service. The liberal democrat viewpoint expressed by this "guest" on the news, shows the mindset and attitude of not this one strategist, but I'm sure the larger agenda since they all play off the same playbook.

Imagine that....don't discuss policy or law...but attack Gov. Brewer because she lacks some perceived required education to hold and serve a public office. Academia elitism stinks.

Yesterday there was a report that teacher unions were not happy with the Obama administration. That public opinion was at an all time low with teachers, unions, etc. Some of this of course is due to the lack of full support from Obama in regards to union voting policies, etc. But they also blame Obama in creating an atmosphere of negativity against the broader unions, and teachers in particular. (GO NEW JERSEY GOVENOR....GO!)

So one day, teacher unions are upset with obama for public perception. The next day, democrat strategists attack not just Gov Brewer for not being college educated, but the average hard working "Joe" who happens to be in the same boat.

Just Crazy..... :shock:
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Re: Controversial remarks??
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 06:53:54 PM »
I think if you look at some of the 'overeducated" people around that were professional students ,groomed for public service ,then sent straight to the teat of the taxpayer,it is refreshing to see someone that comes from the working part of America.
 I wonder how many of this type of person went all through college on grant money and went straight into public service?

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 07:08:45 PM »
I believe that most politicians are over educated.   Look at college professors and "professional" students.   They only know about going to school and nothing about the real world.  They could not function in it.   The schools take care of them to much.   And look at how many people in Washington came from the education back ground or government back ground and have never worked for a company that requires more out of them or to think out of the box.  The education sector is a part of big government.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 07:12:44 PM »
BjornBee This has to be one of your best post.

You don't read too many of them do you....  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 02:05:09 PM »
I love it when liberals are painted with one enormous brush....

Could it possibly be that some people with liberal politics could have college degrees AND be stinkin' hard working AND have common sense? Geez. I don't see the 2 as mutually exclusive.

Probably the quote was more in the tone of "marriage must ONLY be between and man and woman," and that's what the newspaper found controversial. And, for the record, there are liberals out there who actually believe marriage belongs only between a man and a woman.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 09:32:46 AM »
BjornBee This has to be one of your best post.

You don't read too many of them do you....  ;)
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 09:17:04 AM »


  Harry Truman did not have a college degree.

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 10:08:58 AM »
I guess the irony of it is is that the controversy was actually that weird freak that was on the judging panel, not in the words of the lady who stated something that is actually normal.

But that is what the liberal/socialist left do...take control of the media and try to turn the tables on what is normal.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 11:12:18 AM »
I believe that most politicians are over educated.   Look at college professors and "professional" students.   They only know about going to school and nothing about the real world.  They could not function in it.   The schools take care of them to much.   And look at how many people in Washington came from the education back ground or government back ground and have never worked for a company that requires more out of them or to think out of the box.  The education sector is a part of big government.
Education in general is a good thing, but lack of practical experience to go along with it is very dangerous.  This has nothing to do with liberal/conservative or big government.  Alan Greenspan, the Federal Reserve Chairman originally appointed by Reagan and reappointed by every Republican President since then, was responsible for the biggest economic collapse since the Depression.  Shortly after his replacement by Bernanke, he testified to Congress on the banking collapse,  

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In Congressional testimony on October 23, 2008, Greenspan acknowledged that he was "partially" wrong in opposing regulation and stated "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity — myself especially — are in a state of shocked disbelief."[37] Referring to his free-market ideology, Greenspan said: “I have found a flaw. I don’t know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact.” Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) then pressed him to clarify his words. “In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working,” Waxman said. “Absolutely, precisely,” Greenspan replied. “You know, that’s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.”[65] Greenspan admitted fault[66] in opposing regulation of derivatives and acknowledged that financial institutions didn't protect shareholders and investments as well as he expected.

Greenspan  said that the models he had used for 40 years did not work and he was shocked that the banks did not act in their own best interests.  I could not believe that.  This guy did not understand human nature at all.  Of course the banks were looking out for their own best interests.... their own short-term best interests.  That's what people do, whether it's the Challenger explosion, the BP oil spill, nuclear power or banking.  But he was so lost in equations and theories that he did not focus on the fact that banks are competing with each other for quarterly earnings and that the managers who did not perform on that time scale were not around long enough to think about the long term.

So Allen, I am agreeing in part and disagreeing in part. It's not education that's bad.  It's lack of accompanying real-world experience.  And it's not big government that is bad.  In this case more regulation was needed to rein in big corporations.
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Re: Controversial remarks??
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 11:14:49 AM »
"The bride 23 made headlines last year after making controversial remarks during the Miss USA pageant that marriage should be between a man and a woman"....... Since when is it a controversy for a man and a woman to marry each other?

OK here it is.

I am guessing the woman was in the pageant trying to become Miss USA. You remember the USA don't you? Land of the free.... remember? So I guess the controversial part of it is that a person should be free to marry whom ever he/she wants to.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2010, 11:19:23 AM »
You remember the USA don't you? Land of the free.... remember? So I guess the controversial part of it is that a person should be free to marry whom ever he/she wants to.
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Could it possibly be that some people with liberal politics could have college degrees AND be stinkin' hard working AND have common sense

that's 3 and the answer is NO.  you can have the degree and be hard working, but liberalism exists because common sense is not applied.  :evil:

actually, there are two reasons that people embrace the liberal agenda.  1 is that there are true believers in govt and socialism.  2, and most common, is the deluded, well meaning, but uninformed, that wish to "feel good" embrace the idea that we can make life fair if only we control enough and spend enough.

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Land of the free.... remember? So I guess the controversial part of it is that a person should be free to marry whom ever he/she wants to.

JM, if it's so important to you, get to work in your state and get the law changed.  it is a state issue.  convince the people.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2010, 11:37:55 AM »
I find many conservative arguments to be so simplistic. Along the lines of GWB's "If you are not for us, then you are against us." As if there is not a third option.

Liberalism exists because common sense is not applied? I wonder how I have managed to hold a job since age 14, raise 2 beautiful children, have a 15-year successful marriage, many friends and start my own business, all without common sense. Incredible!! I have stated this so many times in so many different ways, but a person can LIVE a life of fiscal responsibility and still want to see help for those without the same level of health, family support, intelligence, education, and other opportunities.

Could it possibly, possibly be that liberals and conservatives have different values? Perhaps sexual preferences and the state of the world economy are not the most pressing issues that keep me awake at night. Perhaps what YOU see as the liberal agenda don't even make it to my consciousness. It could be all the other liberal agenda items that matter to me.

And only 2 reasons that people embrace liberalism? Again, wow. Very, very simplistic. Most of us (humans) believe in gov't. Even the person who commented on another thread to "Get gov't out of my life!!! and harden the borders." WHO exactly does this? We just disagree on WHAT the gov't should be involved in and to what extent.

Actually, I want to head over to the other thread about political definitions. I find that I am still not old enough to understand all the nuances of politics, or perhaps political views are too difficult to classify under one word.
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Land of the free.... remember? So I guess the controversial part of it is that a person should be free to marry whom ever he/she wants to.

JM, if it's so important to you, get to work in your state and get the law changed.  it is a state issue.  convince the people.

Convince the people that we should be able to do things we want to do as long as it doesn't harm another or their property??? WOW!!! What a movement that would be.
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We just disagree on WHAT the gov't should be involved in and to what extent.


we don't need to disagree.  we are a nation of laws, not feelings.  the laws that govern the federal responsibilities are clearly outlined in the constitution.  if you want all that other stuff, petition you state to cover it.  feed, cloth, and care for all the people in your state.  fine with me.  if i want to pay for that, i'll stay. if i don't, i'll go.  in truth, charities do a far better job of those things than government does, and for less money.

do not confuse conservative with anarchists.  i do not believe in NO government. i believe in limited government.  that is: the feds should stick to what the are mandated to do and stay of of what they are mandated to stay out of.  it is really that simple.

and GWB was right when he said that.  sometimes you have to pick a side.  there is no third option.  ask those countries that tried to stay neutral at the start of WW2.  didn't work out so well for them.
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Could it possibly, possibly be that liberals and conservatives have different values? Perhaps sexual preferences and the state of the world economy are not the most pressing issues that keep me awake at night. Perhaps what YOU see as the liberal agenda don't even make it to my consciousness. It could be all the other liberal agenda items that matter to me.

Well said luvin.  To me the question is whether we actually want to be a country or just an aggregation of individuals.    A country exists to look out for the interests of its citizens.  People who are unemployed serve as a critical labor pool that will allow the economy to grow.  They should be supported and not allowed to starve in the streets.  The US now has the greatest concentration of wealth in the last 100 years.  It's not that the country is poor, it's that all that money is in very few hands... and that does not make for a strong economy.

So, I am a liberal and a redistributionist.  That means tax the rich to pay for things like health care.  It does not mean socialism (government ownership of the means of production).  And I have to agree with luvin that the conservative view is extremely simplistic.  It is like a religious faith that somehow free markets will fix everything.  But markets can only fix what they can see.  Markets don't see poor people.  Markets don't see suffering and humiliation.  They apparently do see corporations and wealth and power.
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