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« on: June 11, 2010, 06:36:48 PM »

As of today (6/09) the results are 43% YES (Ban our Flag!) and only 45% NO.  We need to turn this around.
 
Act Now My Fellow Patriots:  Just in case you haven’t heard yet Fox News has a “Poll-Should the Flag Be Banned at Schools?”

Moveon.org and Organizing for America, SEIU have been twittering today to go to Fox Poll and vote to ban the Flag and right now it is working.

SHOW THEM WHAT TRUE PATRIOTS BELIEVE!!!  Let's flip those numbers and show the leftist we are organized and on the move....flip the numbers now--FLIP THE HOUSE in November!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 08:34:58 PM »

After the vote, there is a button on the bottom that says return to poll. I voted 22 times. I don't think a poll that someone can set and vote hundreds of times will amount to very much. I imagine a computer geek could set it up automatic, and vote thousands of times a day.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 09:22:02 PM »

It is amazing how many people hate America and everything it stands for and everything about it.  Why?   Did their mothers not love them as babies?
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 11:27:56 PM »

No Allen, they're Democrats. Blame America first.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 08:33:46 AM »

So it is America's fault that their mothers did not show them love as babies?
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2010, 09:28:49 AM »

Also you have to think that possibly since one can vote many times, some folks might be running up the negative side just to upset the apple cart.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 06:24:24 PM »

It is Fox "news".  They're just trying to fire you guys up.  The majority of people in this country do not support removing Old Glory from schools, c'mon.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 07:34:09 PM »

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees.   Found at  http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

That's just the most recent case of stuff banned from school.     What about everything else out from the schools?   Pledge of Allegiance?   Paddles?  Crosses? Bible?  Prayer?   A well armed teacher?  (that's one that can use her authority or the power to run a class right, not one that's "packing".
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »

Fox news? really?

All those people do is stir up hate...heck..that"s all most of the broadcast media does....stir up emotion...


Go ahead...Ban the flag that I have spent the last 19 years of my life defending....and that countless Americans have given their lives, and more to defend...see if you don't get nuked from orbit.


demopublican...republicrat...politicians are no more than state subsidized bureauterrorists, interested in lining their own pockets...they are all crooks...vote them all out and start over.

How hard is it to keep bees on mars? (on topic data.  grin)
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 09:50:36 PM »

No Allen, they're Democrats. Blame America first.
Oh, please. I vote Democrat, and I love this country and would have no desire to ban the flag from school. I don't have a TV and so have not seen this coverage, but I bet there's a little more to the story. Plus, there are crazy radicals from all political views. Doesn't mean you can paint the whole group with the same brush.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 11:39:55 PM »

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The majority of people in this country do not support removing Old Glory from schools, c'mon.


is this the same poll that the SEIU, etc. twittered it's members to flood with votes to support the flag ban?  sure....no one supports banning flags.....

i often wonder, for those who trash fox news, if they ever watch it?  years ago, i was of the same opinion.  i didn't want slanted news.  i was challenged to watch for a week.  any shows i chose including the news shows.  it took me less than a week to find out that the news i had been getting was not only slanted way to the left, but was incomplete.  i still watch other news, but when i want the whole story, i watch fox.  you all might be surprised to find that what the networks DON'T tell you is at least as important as what they choose to tell you.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 11:53:42 AM »

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The majority of people in this country do not support removing Old Glory from schools, c'mon.


is this the same poll that the SEIU, etc. twittered it's members to flood with votes to support the flag ban?  sure....no one supports banning flags.....

i often wonder, for those who trash fox news, if they ever watch it?  years ago, i was of the same opinion.  i didn't want slanted news.  i was challenged to watch for a week.  any shows i chose including the news shows.  it took me less than a week to find out that the news i had been getting was not only slanted way to the left, but was incomplete.  i still watch other news, but when i want the whole story, i watch fox.  you all might be surprised to find that what the networks DON'T tell you is at least as important as what they choose to tell you.

Oh I agree, not just trashing fox news...there seems to be a certain dearth of journalistic integrity/responsibility throughout the broadcast media at large..was flipping through the web pages of some of the larger news outlets earlier today...yeccchhh...

I doubt serioulsy this will ever get much actual play, but god help the legislator who is dumb enough to put it forth..there are alot of very quiet citizens in this country who will come out of the woodwork, well, like a swarm of torqued off A. M. Scutellata... grin
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 01:20:08 PM »

I'm trying to understand why the flag is in question to begin with. Doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 01:38:44 PM »

if this was the original poll that i saw, it was about the flag being worn by the kids on teeshirts, etc.  should it be banned by the schools as divisive and potentially causing problems.  goes back to cinco de mayo and the Mexican kids being ticked off because some of the kids wore American flag shirts to school.  kids got sent home for  wearing them.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 02:00:06 PM »

oh, ok thanks..

with the exception of a patch on a uniform, I've never worn flags of any sort. still, sounds childish. we do live in the u.s. not mexico.
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 04:43:07 PM »

if this was the original poll that i saw, it was about the flag being worn by the kids on teeshirts, etc.  should it be banned by the schools as divisive and potentially causing problems.  goes back to cinco de mayo and the Mexican kids being ticked off because some of the kids wore American flag shirts to school.  kids got sent home for  wearing them.
Funny how things go around.  When I was a kid, wearing an American flag on a tee-shirt was considered desecration of the flag.  People were arrested for doing that.  Now it's considered unpatriotic to ban wearing flag shirts?  It's a strange world we live in.  grin   
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 04:48:47 PM »

to me, this is not about patriotism.  i'm not a big fan of people wearing the flag, although i think i have a teeshirt with a flag in the background.  it's more about the circumstances under which this incident took place, that the reaction to it.  also seems to me that if burning the flag is protected speech, then wearing a shirt with the flag on it, should be equally protected?
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2010, 06:33:35 PM »

Free speech is a good thing (TM).  Yes burning the flag is and should be protected speech.  So should wearing a flag shirt.  Patriotism is not something you can define for someone else, especially in a country as diverse as ours.  I felt a lot more patriotic when the health care bill was passed than I did when I saw the photos of prisoner abuse from Abu Ghraib.  I feel more a part of the country when the country is inclusive and tries to look out for its citizens.  But I gather that some people feel more patriotic when the country embraces the cult of the individual.  Different strokes I guess.
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2010, 07:04:37 PM »

 
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is not something you can define for someone else, especially in a country as diverse as ours.

Completely agree with both of these statements.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2010, 10:40:04 PM »

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demopublican...republicrat...politicians are no more than state subsidized bureauterrorists, interested in lining their own pockets...they are all crooks...vote them all out and start over.

I like this person already.

If you notice, most of the people pushing the most hardcore, ridiculous points are the party hacks from one of the criminal organizations called democrats and republicans.

They are more interested in finding fault with each other than actually finding solutions or doing 'the right thing'.

point the finger, pass the buck, plausible deniability, these are some of their best tricks, on both sides.

the mass media is not much more than parrots for their party masters and don't have a speck of objectivity or know what journalistic integrity means.

on both sides of the aisle it all ends up the same..."there outta be a law", " we need to protect.."  " if it saves just one..."

ll they want is to get more control of the government and expand it till America is anything but.

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 11:05:55 PM »

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If you notice, most of the people pushing the most hardcore, ridiculous points are the party hacks from one of the criminal organizations called democrats and republicans.

They are more interested in finding fault with each other than actually finding solutions or doing 'the right thing'.

point the finger, pass the buck, plausible deniability, these are some of their best tricks, on both sides.

the mass media is not much more than parrots for their party masters and don't have a speck of objectivity or know what journalistic integrity means.

I agree with a lot of this view, too.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 08:07:47 AM »

You can blame pols when they act in an immoral way, but they are just people.  Do you think there is a special breeding program to produce perfidious morons to be political candidates?  grin  No, they are just silly people, like the rest of us.  If you want to blame someone, blame the lazy, ignorant voters who put them there.  People who vote based on name recognition or soundbites are the real problem.  Politics has become circus and not the serious business of running the country.  And yes, the media plays to that same audience for entertainment value.  That's what sells ads.

 The same people who rail against "big government"  and regulation are the first to ask the government to help them when failed regulation and corporate greed lead to a devastating environmental disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.   If voters actually acted on principles... like sustainability and economic justice, there would never have been an oil spill... or a collapse of the banking system... or a war in Iraq. 

Bottom line... if you don't like the pols... run for office yourself.  If you think you are better than the average bear, go out and campaign for what you believe in.  I've done that.  You will quickly learn that the majority of voters are thinking in their own perceived short-term selfish best interest rather than the long term interests of the country as a whole.  And no, those are NOT the same thing.
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 08:19:58 PM »

 
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Patently untrue.

maybe politicians aren't born that way, but the political party process sure draws the worst ones out.

I agree, the voters are to oeasily mislead and/or ignorant to use the voting process for the control method it is meant to be.

The old saw about "if you don't like it, do it yourself" is so old, it has gray hair.  holding office was intended to be a service one provided for their community, not a lifetime career.  The offices have changed thanks to the efforts of long time sitting elected criminals who have taken what should be an office of service and added so many perks and privileges that most private businesses cannot compete.

You can be the party sucker if you want and take what they give you.

I say that until those same spineless, ignorant voters get some sense and start immediately replacing party hacks with people who sincerely want to serve, we will only continue to have criminals seeking those coveted, plush positions.

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 08:49:15 PM »

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maybe politicians aren't born that way, but the political party process sure draws the worst ones out.
I so agree! One reason that it would be interesting to see what campaign finance reform could/would do for the whole process. It's hard to see how a person could stay true and honest through the process and still get elected. I'd also love to see a political campaign without TV again. I wonder how many great people you could get in the process and how much less money would be spent.
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2010, 09:57:44 PM »

George Washington in his farewell address warned us against allowing political partisanship....

our system has degraded to the point where an honest person cannot get elected, and those who do are either corrupted by
the system or broken against it...
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2010, 06:39:55 PM »

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no, they expect the feds to do what the feds are supposed to do.  that's not quite the same as sitting on the roof waiting for the feds to pluck you off.  because the feds regulate the drilling and shipping, they have the major responsibility for handling the disaster.  because the feds regulate things like building sand barricades in the ocean, they are the ones the states must turn to for help.

now...we might ask if the feds should be in charge of any of that, and i'd say  no.  it should be left to the states.  unfortunately, that ship sailed long ago and i don't think we can get it back.

consider how many people are willing and begging to be able to go out and clean beaches, but are kept from it by federal buracracy....OSHA.  consider that the gov. of LA had a plan that he was unable to execute because he could not get the bureaucracy off it's backside to give him the green light.
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