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Offline riverrat

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« on: June 03, 2010, 11:09:21 AM »
I asked the guys at work and even posted on facebook to name one food that humans consume that a plant or animal didnt die for to make the product. Now this doesnt count drinks. I couldnt think of any until a guy in the shop said honey. I never thought of that but honey and pollen are the only 2 things we could think of in which a plant or animal did not directly die to make. I know bees will work them selves to death in the summer but i dont know of any other food item  can anyone think of anything else
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Re: honey
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 11:35:31 AM »
fruit, berries, vegitables,   cheese, milk products,  ice cream,  Ya think about it only good things!

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Re: honey
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2010, 11:56:01 AM »
Nuts...... unfertilized eggs....Is a seed actually living? We eat many seeds.

Mountain oysters.... He didn't die...  :evil:   :-D
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Re: honey
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 01:38:16 PM »
Ham.

Although those pigs sure have a lot of trouble dragging themselves around by their front legs.
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Re: honey
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 01:44:41 PM »
fruit, berries, vegetables,  cheese, milk products,  ice cream,  Ya think about it only good things!
  fruits berries and vegtables are all living things until they are picked cheese is made from enzymes and bacteria that is killed off in the process and I'm not sure about ice cream
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Re: honey
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 05:04:35 PM »
Ham.

Although those pigs sure have a lot of trouble dragging themselves around by their front legs.
Good grief! You are cracking me up today, too :D Must be that midwestern humor...

How about eggs? We eat them by the dozen, and the hens live happily on. Most vegetables, all fruits that I can think of, nuts.

iddee--True, true. But quality of life those first few days afterwards? Ouch!
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Re: honey
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 06:49:31 PM »
berries and nuts and vegetables are living things that are picked once picked the berry or vegtable begins to break down and die eggs are living cells. milk and honey are the only things i can think of and honey is the only one that i can think of that wont go bad that is a natural food
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Re: honey
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 07:14:37 PM »
berries and nuts and vegetables are living things that are picked once picked the berry or vegtable begins to break down and die eggs are living cells. milk and honey are the only things i can think of and honey is the only one that i can think of that wont go bad that is a natural food
Is that what you said first time around?: name one food that humans consume that a plant or animal didnt die for to make the productNothing died to make eggs. Plus, lots and lots of bacteria die in the pasteurizing of milk  :evil: And my berry plants continue on quite well after I have picked their berries. Same with my lettuce, beans, asparagus, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants....
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Re: honey
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 07:18:25 PM »
berries and nuts and vegetables are living things that are picked once picked the berry or vegtable begins to break down and die eggs are living cells. milk and honey are the only things i can think of and honey is the only one that i can think of that wont go bad that is a natural food
Is that what you said first time around?: name one food that humans consume that a plant or animal didnt die for to make the productNothing died to make eggs. Plus, lots and lots of bacteria die in the pasteurizing of milk  :evil: And my berry plants continue on quite well after I have picked their berries. Same with my lettuce, beans, asparagus, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants....

you got me i guess i didnt quite word it right but i think it is an interesting thought to ponder about honey
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Re: honey
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 08:05:11 PM »
I like the ham, 4 legs good, 2 legs better.

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Re: honey
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 08:13:42 PM »
Ok, now I'm just being argumentative, but 1000s of bees die in making honey, 10,000s...
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Re: honey
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 08:16:01 PM »
But would the honey be a by product of the bee's life?

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Re: honey
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 10:33:42 PM »
i guess a better way to word it would be is there any thing a person  can eat that wasnt either living or produced by a living organism. I guess in this world of fast food and processed food it amazes me they havent came up with food that has not been produced or made from a living organism. I think honey is about as close as you can get it doesnt kill the flower that it is collected from the bee doesnt die simply from the nectar but if you think about it I believe it is enzymes in the bees honey stomach that actually turns nectar into honey so with that said even honey is produced by an enzyme which is living. Moral of the story is I got to much time on my hands at work this week running a machine  :evil:
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Re: honey
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 10:38:57 PM »
I got it,  a food that we eat that is not a plant or animal to start with.     Olestra!!!!!

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Re: honey
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 10:47:24 PM »
What on earth is Olestra?
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Re: honey
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 10:54:59 PM »
isnt that the artificial lard that they cooked tater chips in that made for a case of the hurry up and get to the outhouse in a person
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 10:56:57 PM »
Yes it is, and you might know it as the name brand Olean.   

But I was wrong also.  Chemists create olestra by combining two naturally occurring substances, sucrose and vegetable oil, to form a molecule that is not found anywhere in nature. Yet the resulting synthetic molecule tastes just like real fats do! Fat is what makes candy bars and french fries so filling (and fattening). With olestra, you get the taste of the fat without any of the calories of the fat, because your body has no way to digest olestra.

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 11:05:14 PM »
Ahhhh....Now I remember. You pay for a case of the trots.  :-P
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Re: honey
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 11:29:26 PM »
There are food substances made from crude oil, derivatives, colorings.  But technically those were plants.

But we need carbohydrates, fats, and other substances which don't occur without a life form changing the basic molecules, carbon to carbohydrates, etc.

While bees don't necessarily give their lives for the honey, there are plenty in my hives that do when I open up the hives... :roll:
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Re: honey
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 11:32:26 PM »
Oooh, Oooh----I have one!!! Spam!














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Re: honey
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2010, 11:36:16 PM »
There are food substances made from crude oil, derivatives, colorings.  But technically those were plants.

But we need carbohydrates, fats, and other substances which don't occur without a life form changing the basic molecules, carbon to carbohydrates, etc.


This has turned into a interesting thread i hadnt rreally thought about it until i asked the guy running machine next  to me if he knew of any food that didnt come from an animal or plant that died or the food died as a result and his answer suprised me when he said honey/ it has made for some interesting answers i think i will stick to honey and let the runners have the oleastra
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Re: honey
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2010, 11:49:06 PM »
Let me put in a vote for eggs again. An unfertilized egg has no life potential in it at all. Of course, plants and bugs died in order for the chicken to eat. So, I guess it comes back to that age-old question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?





Sorry, I really need some sleep. Getting a little slap happy here  :-X
The pedigree of honey
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Re: honey
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2010, 11:50:57 PM »
Clay? Kaolin? Ice chips? They are eaten in some cultures, and other folks may eat them too, especially if vitamin deficient. But of course they have no calories, which makes them rather useless as food. It's inescapable - Everything living is somewhere on a food chain, where depends on what part of life (or death) you happen to be in. Even crude oil/oil shale, those long dead oddly decomposed plants can be digested by a few types of bacteria.

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Re: honey
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2010, 08:48:26 AM »
Let me put in a vote for eggs again. An unfertilized egg has no life potential in it at all. Of course, plants and bugs died in order for the chicken to eat. So, I guess it comes back to that age-old question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


an unfertilized egg is a living cell it cannot produce a chick unless it is fertilized by another living cell unless of course you are talking about drone brood that dont need fertilized. My vote is still with honey even though enzymes inthe honey stomach turns the nectar to honey if you dont heat it it will not kill off the enzymes
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Re: honey
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2010, 12:17:59 PM »
Enzymes in the honey stomach are not living themselves.  They are non-living products of the bee's stomach and of the bacteria that live inside it.

Many vegetables and fruits do not require the death of a plant because they are seed capsules, not the entire plant.  Fruit trees live for many years and are not killed by having their fruit harvested.  The same is true for most vegetables, except for tubers and grains, and also for the egg.  With fruit one cannot even say that eating the fruit "kills" the plant that might sprout from the seed, as many plants have evolved such that their fruits must be eaten in order for the seed to sprout.

Funny to think of eggs as "chicken-fruits" though.  :)
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Re: honey
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 04:35:16 PM »
Honey can not count.   Honey has living spores of botulinus intoxication in it.   You know botulism. 

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2010, 11:20:54 PM »
Honey can not count.   Honey has living spores of botulinus intoxication in it.   You know botulism. 

if you use raw honey you are not killing off the spores so nothing died which qualifies it has a food source
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2010, 08:34:22 AM »
So they don't die when you eat them?   Then what about bean sprouts that I eat whole?  Anything whole?

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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM »
Well, hard to say what a chicken killed in it's life, as they eat bugs and plants, but you don't have to kill anything to eat the eggs that they will produce regardless and they won't even try to hatch most of them and if there is no rooster around they would never develop into an egg anyway...
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