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Author Topic: This is just wrong:Cinco de mayo in school  (Read 2373 times)
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2010, 03:45:12 PM »

Well I think we're losing sight of something here.

The "code" is implied and traditional and is not "law"

I think wearing a flag (and we have to be specific to an extent, because some shirts just have a small flag on the chest, and some are just HUGE American flags) can be a breach of this code and I think it says nothing.  The same thing with burning a flag.  While totally legal (and it absolutely should be) it is still a poor way to show your disdain for this country.

I just think overall what the kids did was the least effective thing they could have possibly done.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2010, 04:49:21 PM »

Unless their intent was to expose an authority figure who would fail to consider the first amendment implications of his actions, and err in favor of "dipping the flag" to a foreign holiday being celebrated on US soil.
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2010, 06:28:14 PM »

Lets be fair to our American history and have a better understanding that the holidays you hold dear anywhere you live in this nation are "foreign" to our Natives.

Thank God we live in a nation where Cinco De Mayo may be celebrated on par with any other European holiday.

We are a nation that was built on the backs of many nationalities that all have earned the right to celebrate as they wish.
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2010, 07:52:21 PM »

In true etiquette the American flag should never be considered, or fashioned into an article of clothing.

Funny how some patriots out there will go to a 4th of July Parade and get mad when the beloved Stars and Stripes just grazes the pavement, but will then go home and throw their flowing American flag t-shirt into the dirty clothes hamper.

Its an example of misguided patriotism, and wearing a shirt has never...and will never...be the way to show you're a patriot.

And just think of the many uniforms in the country that has a USA Flag patch sown on there some where.  jaw drop Please do your part to save the flag from the clothes hamper.

And lest we forget. What is one suppose to do with a flag that touches the ground?  It is burned.  shocked
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »

Lets be fair to our American history and have a better understanding that the holidays you hold dear anywhere you live in this nation are "foreign" to our Natives.

Thank God we live in a nation where Cinco De Mayo may be celebrated on par with any other European holiday.

We are a nation that was built on the backs of many nationalities that all have earned the right to celebrate as they wish.
sinko da mayo is  also protected under the first amendment; but no call for courtesy or demand for discretion should ever ever interfere with displaying the US flag on US soil by people who choose to do so.
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 07:51:11 PM »

As for history:

Texas won it's independence from Mexico the same way the USA did from England, armed up rising (rebelion) that ousted the heretofore dominate country.
Texas, as an independent country, but facing another war for independence with Mexico, petitioned the USA to become a State and was accepted. It was also granted the right to divide itself into 5 different states, hence a portion of Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Arkansas where originally part of Texas. In the case of Oklahoma every county west of and including Greer County was previously a part of Texas, the eastern portion was known as Indian Territory.

Arizona and New Mexico, or the most parts thereof, were purchased from Mexico the same way Louisiana was purchased from the French.

California, from San Fran south was originally part of Mexico, but after the Gold Rush the Americans slightly outnumbered the native Mexicanos.  California voted to petition the USA to become a state, the petition was granted, and California (once a provence of Mexico) became part of the United States of America.  It should be noted that a lot of Mexican citizens voted in favor of becoming a state of the USA, just as a lot of Mexican citizens fought against Mexico for Texas Independence.

For information the northern portion of California was once considered part of the Oregon Territory before Oregon (which included parts of Idaho and all of Washington) was officially designated a Territory, which occurred as a result of the California petitiion to become a state as boundaries had to be established amd the Shyskiu Mountians made a natural northern boundary.


What it all boils down to is that all of what was once part of Mexico, but is now part of the USA was accomplished legitimate means.   Mexico has no legal claim to any part of the USA.
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2010, 06:36:48 AM »

In true etiquette the American flag should never be considered, or fashioned into an article of clothing.

Funny how some patriots out there will go to a 4th of July Parade and get mad when the beloved Stars and Stripes just grazes the pavement, but will then go home and throw their flowing American flag t-shirt into the dirty clothes hamper.

Its an example of misguided patriotism, and wearing a shirt has never...and will never...be the way to show you're a patriot.

Wearing a FLAG as an article of clothing is bad etiquette. Wearing an image of a flag on a T-shirt is NOT bad  etiquette. I think one should know the difference. The etiquette part came about on how to properly DISPLAY a FLAG. It did not reference or mean to include articles of clothing that happen to have the image of a flag. a T-shirt is NOT a flag, and does not carry the same applied etiquette.

If that was the case, we all fold up a flag on the dollar and shove it in our pockets and sit our butts on "flags" every day.

It's has nothing to do with etiquette or displaying the flags. But as usual, this type thing gets bogged down on minor detail and we miss the broader points of freedom and liberty. Something many are willing to throw out in the garbage with the flag.

I think to judge a person's patriotism based on wearing a flag, is about "misguided" as the point you made using the term "misguided". There is no way you can judge, reference, or somehow scale, a persons patriotism based on YOUR opinion of what another does, does not do, or how one uses a flag.
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