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Cutout sans Beevac??
« on: May 09, 2010, 06:04:07 PM »
I have been offered a cut out in a 50 y/o dairy shed.  The hive is between the walls just underneath the window.  What would be the best way to ensure queen collection without a beevac?  I was thinking, please correct me if there is a better way. 

  • Cut out all comb and secure to frames and put in super
  • physically remove remaining bees with brush and dustpan
  • Leave hive over night and day for loose bee homecoming
  • I will take off the wood siding exposing the comb and bees.
Do I have to leave them if I do it close to dusk but crossing over?

I would like to make one stop and get it done.  Thoughts?
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Re: Cutout sans Beevac??
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 06:30:50 PM »
you don't need a beevac to get the queen.   make check list of equipment.  take extra  :-D

remove comb from outside in.  i don't usually band  honey comb in. some do.  remove and band into frames the brood comb.  this is most likely where the queen will be.  sometimes she runs off, but if you work carefully and deliberately, you will usually spot her with the brood.  JP puts his queens in a clip.  i do not.  either way, as soon as you have put her into the hive you will see the bees start to move toward her.  i take the comb that has the queen and either move her into the box onto already installed brood, or set her piece of comb on top.  she'll go right down into the hive if there is brood comb in there.

most of my cutouts are to far to bother going back the next day.  if you can stay until duskish, you'll get most.  some returning foragers will go back to the old hive spot and you can keep sweeping them up.  make sure to tell the owner to get things closed up tight and that there will be a few bees hanging around for a couple of days.

anyway....spend some time readin in this if you can.  there's lots of good info.
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Re: Cutout sans Beevac??
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 07:01:25 PM »
Great to hear Kathy.. and somehow I knew you might reply, too nice.  The plan is to start round 5 with sundown being 745 ish.  I will post pics and story asap.  Thanks again for the encouragement Kp
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Re: Cutout sans Beevac??
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 07:07:54 PM »
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don't tell anyone.  you'll ruin my rep.

don't cut yourself short on time.  you never  know what you'll find  ;)
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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Re: Cutout sans Beevac??
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 07:31:45 PM »
I like the queen catcher because it keeps her in the hive. I've had some leave on me and go right back in the wall void, you don't want this to happen or you'll wind up with a box full of brood comb minus most of the bees which will be bad for the brood (possible chill brood problems. So use a catcher or an excluder.

You don't need a bee vac.

As Kathy mentioned, do the transfer and set the box up at the exterior so the bees can reorient to the new hive.

I usually spray the interior (not the bees) with beequick to force them to reorient to the new hive faster. By nightfall as Kathy mentioned most all should be in the new set up.

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Re: Cutout sans Beevac??
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 07:54:13 PM »
Good directions above. I will add one thing. Rethink you time line. The one I did Thurs. was 5 hours with 4 people. The one last Sat. was 7 1/2 hours with 6 people. You might want to start about noon or a little after.
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