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« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2010, 09:06:50 AM »

Oh, please, because your father is a racist, the Tea Party endorses racism?  I'm sorry, David, but that is so ridiculous I can't even believe you said it.  There are racists in all walks of life, in churches, in stores, in schools  - do all those places also become 'racist' because a racist joins them, or goes there?  No, the Tea Party does not endorse racism.  Just because some moron behaves in a racist manner at a rally doesn't mean the Tea Party is all for them.  a side thought is now you're calling the black people who attend (and they do attend) racist, too - do they hate black people, too?  Come on.

Maybe you missed where I pointed out that *I never said* that the Tea Party was racist?  I wasn't kidding.  I also pretty much said that any group has a racist element.  There are always a few.  My dad is a racist.  He is also a good person.  It was intentionally absurd to say that my dad being a racist meant the tea party has a racist element.  Which it nonetheless does.  So does the NAACP, BSU, BSA, GSA, YMCA - any group with any significant number of people almost surely has some racists.  For that matter Pretty much every person has some degree of prejudice built in - IMO.  Is that the same as actually being racist?  I don't think so.

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This is what I was responding to.  So what?  So there's a 'racist element'.  Pointing that out is useless, because there is a 'racist element' throughout society.  We all know that.  Most of us don't agree with it.  That was my point.  Showing there's a 'racist element' in the Tea Party Movement is just another tactic to marginalize and minimize the importance of that movement, and the feelings of the majority of the movement - racists within it are not the relevant element.
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« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2010, 09:37:24 AM »


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This is what I was responding to.  So what?  So there's a 'racist element'.  Pointing that out is useless, because there is a 'racist element' throughout society.  We all know that.  Most of us don't agree with it.  That was my point.  Showing there's a 'racist element' in the Tea Party Movement is just another tactic to marginalize and minimize the importance of that movement, and the feelings of the majority of the movement - racists within it are not the relevant element.

It was (an attempt at) humor - apparently a poor one. 

But seriously any group can be marginalized by the bad behavior of a fringe element.  It's up to the main stream of the movement to decide if they should police internally or not.  When Tom Tankredo said this while speaking at the Nashville Tea Party National Convention a few months ago - (Obama was) "elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote in this country," He got a rousing round of applause.  Maybe you agree with his statement, maybe the rest of his speech was marvelous.  But that is the part that got played over and over on local news.  As you might be aware several states including TN once had such a law - clearly designed and administered to prevent Black people from voting.   If the group didn't want to be marginalized as racist then either he shouldn't have said it in front of media, or they shouldn't have applauded.  Apparently there was a lack of lateral thinking and extrapolation in the room. 
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« Reply #82 on: May 06, 2010, 09:44:19 AM »

I don't see what he said wrong there.  If you view everything through a 'that's a racist statement' filter I guess you'd think that way, but I'm not from the south, I don't view everything through a racist filter, and to me, what he said makes perfect sense, there are plenty of people out there voting who really have no clue whatsoever about the real issues, they vote who they're told to vote for, or who makes them 'feel good', or whoever the lamestream has decided should be in charge, they don't vote from knowledge of current affairs.  That's how I took his statement.  There isn't a racist element in my line of thought, and to have it constantly beaten like a drum that everything boils down to race is - well, it's racist.  Believe it or not there are lots of us out there who really are 'post racial' and don't even blink an eye at the color of skin - it's the content of their character, and in the liberal, everyone is a racist world, I see very little character I'd vote for.
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« Reply #83 on: May 06, 2010, 10:02:34 AM »

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i shouldn't do this without looking it up first, but may be you know....

wasn't TN one of the first states to give blacks full voting rights?  wasn't it the republican gov TN that forced the legislature, at gun point, to pass those laws?  there is a reason that most blacks were republicans before the social welfare programs bought their vote.  in fact....until the kennedy/MLK deal.
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« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2010, 10:36:52 AM »

I don't see what he said wrong there.  If you view everything through a 'that's a racist statement' filter I guess you'd think that way, but I'm not from the south, I don't view everything through a racist filter, and to me, what he said makes perfect sense, there are plenty of people out there voting who really have no clue whatsoever about the real issues, they vote who they're told to vote for, or who makes them 'feel good', or whoever the lamestream has decided should be in charge, they don't vote from knowledge of current affairs.  That's how I took his statement.  There isn't a racist element in my line of thought, and to have it constantly beaten like a drum that everything boils down to race is - well, it's racist.  Believe it or not there are lots of us out there who really are 'post racial' and don't even blink an eye at the color of skin - it's the content of their character, and in the liberal, everyone is a racist world, I see very little character I'd vote for.

Well, I thought it was racist the moment I heard it, and I am a middle aged white man who has lived in the south all of my life.  I was absolutely not alone in my perception of that - it resulted in a whole media rehashing of Jim Crow and Grandfather laws.  I not only see that kind of idea as racist, but as elitist as well.  As flawed as our system is I don't see plans to disenfranchise citizens as a way to fix it. But that's just me.  You certainly have a right to your opinion.
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« Reply #85 on: May 06, 2010, 10:38:13 AM »

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i shouldn't do this without looking it up first, but may be you know....

wasn't TN one of the first states to give blacks full voting rights?  wasn't it the republican gov TN that forced the legislature, at gun point, to pass those laws?  there is a reason that most blacks were republicans before the social welfare programs bought their vote.  in fact....until the kennedy/MLK deal.

I don't know.
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« Reply #86 on: May 06, 2010, 10:50:28 AM »

i didn't see his statement as racist.  another thing about the left is that they filter everything thought race/special interest.  it is a fact that the voters of this country are uneducated about this country and especially civics.  it's pretty sad when you have to have a hotline to explain to people HOW TO VOTE.  these are things we used to learn in school.  how to write a check, keep a budget....and civics.  your rights and responsibilities as a citizen.  now all we teach is "rights", and those rights are taught by some union registered, 60's raised POS.  WE are not responsible.  someone else is....the government.....the rich....

we have almost reached the point were 50% of the population is paying little or no tax.  they take more from the system than they contribute.  they vote for whoever will give them more stuff.  they do not know anything about history, civics, and do not care.

there was a reason that many thought only property owners should vote.  people with something invested in a country or state, take the time to understand what is going on.  those just sucking off the system don't care.  that's not a race issue.
time to get over the white guilt thing.
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« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2010, 11:11:53 AM »

    I ran into this piece about immigration reform and he mentions one thing that's particularly chilling; 8 of the 911 attackers were REGISTERED TO VOTE.
you have to be a citizen to vote by the law. (makes me wonder if acorn's roles should be much more carefully examined.)

Here's the video, I know it's Fox so presumed to be biased, but I suppose the information that 8 of the illegal aliens involved in 9-11 were registered to vote can be verified somehow:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4181457/fighting-vs-illegal-immigrants?playlist_id=87937

Our military 1, has overseen elections in other countries with 'failure of vote integrity" problems and 2 are under oath to support and defend the constitution...(etc.) - I think our military should oversee voting and registration  to recoup the integrity in voting that seems to have fallen by the wayside somewhere. (I have to wonder how many illegals were registered to vote in the recent elections)
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« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2010, 11:47:22 AM »

i would take news from fox before MSNBC  grin

i don't think we need the military to enforce voting law.  in fact, that would be illegal.  we do need the governments to enforce voting law.  not only registration and proof of eligibility, but also prosecution of those who intimidate or defraud voters.  you notice that the black panthers were not prosecuted for voter intimidation.  let a tea party member stand outside a voting place with a club and see what happens....
also the voter fraud of ACORN, while being prosecuted in states, should have been prosecuted by the feds also.  

i see no good reason for not requiring proof of eligibility before voting.  the only reason to protest that would be to facilitate fraud.
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« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2010, 07:00:38 PM »

I watched a lady escort 2 men into the polling place and they all 3 voted. She carried a hanky to wipe their slobbers and led them by the arm. It was easy to see neither had the mental ability to stand in line without assistance. She kept pulling them back in line when they tried to wander. Yes, there is a need for some type of mentality test. At least enough to be sure the voter knows what voting is.

PS. They were all white.
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« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2010, 07:09:39 PM »

I am going back a few pages and this last page to some of the things David LaFerney posted as racist. I too do not see the racism in several of the things mentioned as a racially implied statement. I wonder if it is racist that see these things. Or perhaps it is racist that don't see it. I do know there are people that can somehow lie to themselves and actually believe they are not the way they are. Take any subject considered "BAD" such as racism, perversion, any other and there are people that are that way, deep down inside,  but they hide it from themselves as well as others.

Anyway.

About the vote. I know people and have heard of people that "REALLY" wanted to vote for candidate #3. but went and voted for #1 0r #2 because #3 couldn't win.  huh  huh  huh

Perhaps if everyone that wanted to vote for #3 had indeed voted for #3, perhaps he would have won.

Then the ones that will only vote party lines no matter what they feel about the issue.

And the ones that vote for a familiar name.  I dunno Not the issues at all.
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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2010, 12:51:38 AM »

Wow.  This has been amusing.  Way to throw the "golden apple", Dave.  (If you don't know what I mean, brush up on your Greek mythology).  This entire string was started with a jab at TEA partiers (WHO is being uncivil?!?).  Naturally, it elicited a vigorous response as it appears that most beeks on here are rugged individualists with marked conservative leanings.  At first, I thought you were just stirring the pot to play around, but it is becoming clear that you really are clueless.  God love ya, but good grief, step back and look at the smoke coming from your fuselage as your argument cork-screws into the ground.  Nice try with throwing the red herring about the oil spill, but no dice.  The tweak that started this string was based on a false premise that showed your ignorance of what the TEA party is all about.  Your continued rhetoric mirroring the mainstream media's template gives you away as either an idealogue who cares nothing about the facts, or a lemming who falls for the media's lie-of-the-day hook line and sinker and repeats it as if it were fact ("I know it for a fact 'cause I read it in the paper!").  The TEA in TEA party is an acronym for "taxed enough, already!"  The premise that Americans are fed up with never-ending taxes to feed a bloated government bureacracy with out of control spending is not based on anything to do with RACE!  To assert otherwise just shows your ignorance and guillability.  Better stick to talking about bees while you still have some credibility left. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2010, 01:06:33 AM »

Kathy, I'm considering it from a constitutional standpoint, the military is supposed to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic; voting is a constitutional right, and non-citizens who do not have the right to vote (or ballot stuffing etc.) are essentially attacking the integrity of citizens constitutional rights by erosion, and enacting a de-facto foreign influence on offices and a process which only citizens are entitled to; I;m suggesting that our military has jurisdiction in protecting constitutional rights. (to mess with the vote is to undermine the constitution).
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