David, you're right, you DON'T understand limited government. ....
OK, first of all how about consider that this is "The Coffee House" not firing line and lets try to keep it somewhat civil?
Most of your response emphasizes that illegal immigration is a problem - which I agree with. It's a big problem. As a country we have a whole laundry list of big problems. I agree that the federal government should take more responsibility for this particular big problem, and that the failure to act by the feds has caused a crisis that the border states feel that they have to do something about - and rightfully so.
I can't resist responding to your "Unless you do something like construction work you don't know what it's like..." (paraphrased) Well, it just so happens that I'm a contractor. My Dad is a retired contractor. My brother is a contractor. My father in law is a contractor. My brother in law is a contractor. I have 2 uncles that are contractors, and a couple of first cousins that are in the business. I'm talking dirty hands contractors not guys in khakis and hardhats carrying clip boards. I started carrying shingles up a ladder when I was 15. I know the construction worker blues first hand. I started my first construction business when I was 26. I've had to deal with competition from every kind of unlicensed, undocumented, uninsured fly by night that you can think of - including some that speak fluent Spanish.
Nonetheless, I do live in the interior of the country, and I will concede that I haven't experienced first hand the sense of invasion that the border areas have. You're right about that.
About the Arizona law - I agree with 99.44% of it - not that anyone in Arizona gives a flip what I think about their law. I think the part about it now being against the law to nod while being Hispanic is a bit odd, vague, and excessive, but again who cares what I think?
Mainly I don't want myself, or any American to be subject to illegal search and seizure because of the way we look, talk, dress, tattoos, hair, slogans on our tee-shirt, hat, or bumper. And I think that the constitution protects us from that - As long as we don't throw it away every time we have a big problem like immigration, terrorism, drug trafficking, or whatever the current big scary threat to the world as we know it is.
But anyway, if you don't have anything to hide what do you care? Do you want The Government to be able to read your mail, or listen to your phone conversations, track your buying habits, look at your medical records? I don't, and I don't have anything to hide. I just don't trust anyone
all that much
. And I like my privacy. I'm glad that the constitution protects it to some extent, and I don't want to give that protection up even a little bit - for me or my descendants. Put it this way - I don't want to be part of the generation that gave up our constitutional protections.
I must admit that it would sure be easier if every time there was a threat we could just round up everyone who looks suspicious, ignore due process, and do something with them that makes us feel all safe again. Like we did to Japanese Americans during WW2. The trouble is it isn't constitutional. And it isn't right or moral either. So as long as you can somehow ignore those minor details then everything gets easier don't it?
Personally I think that two words in the AZ law infringe on those rights - reasonable suspicion. If it said Probable Cause in a few places instead all would be good - except the illegal nodding thing. But again, I'm not a constitutional scholar - just a building contractor with a 12th grade education. So - A) I could be wrong. B) Who cares what I think?
Oh, wait. It seems that quite a lot (not all of course) of the AZ law enforcement community more or less agree with me. Maybe they're all liberal shills too?
Do you really think that anyone who disagrees with you is just brain washed by the liberal media and couldn't possibly put any serious thought into their own beliefs?