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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 07:04:41 PM »

I think hail is the right word, but the wrong spelling, Keith.
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2010, 12:05:21 AM »

Very, very sad. I feel awful for the environmental consequences, the tourism and fishery consequences, and the gas prices we are likely to see this summer.

Sure wish we in America would get serious about cutting consumption. And other sources of energy.
Don't fall for the "cutting consumption/alternative energy baloney.  Oil is the fuel for the economic engine in America and the world--and will be for the forseeable future.  You can't conserve your way to prosperity any more than you can conserve your way work.  If you want to get there, chances are, you gotta burn some gas!  As for alternative energy, when the market demands it and it becomes economically viable, someone will produce it.  The hybrids that Curious George wants to cram down our throats aren't selling because nobody wants one.  Their re-sale value is falling faster than the real estate prices.  Wind power is a joke and solar isn't much better.  We all want to conserve within reason, but if I want to drive a Hummer and get 10 MPG and can afford to fuel it, it isn't anybody's business but mine--certainly not the bloody government's!  If you want to walk to work to "conserve", knock yerself out!  It's funny how Bozos like Algore tell everybody else they need to reduce their "carbon footprint", yet he still drives his big yacht around the water and he flies private jets all over the world.  Oh, and he doesn't light his (multiple) homes with candles or cool them with a breeze box either!
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2010, 10:58:05 AM »

Could be that we have hugely different life experiences.

Here in WI, I see hybrid cars frequently. People are working like mad on corn, switchgrass and other alternative energy fuels. Others use their farm waste to fuel their farm, and even some cheese factories recycle their wastewater through greenhouses, bringing in further revenue. We have city rooftop gardens, urban farms completely closed-looped regarding energy and lots of other innovative things going on here regarding energy.

Around here, businesses get a competitive edge by "outgreening" the other guy.

As for you using as much of a natural resource as you want, I guess technically that's your right. Seeing as you are one person sharing a resource that belongs to the entire planet, I guess common sense and courtesy would dictate that you be respectful in your use of that resource. Plus, I have yet to meet someone who wouldn't benefit from a little more walking and biking.

As for Gore, I agree that he is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean that conserving is a bad idea. Makes sense to me that you don't blast your way through a finite resource and hope for the best, that someone will have come up with some affordable alternative by the time you have made your way through it.

I think this challenge will be met by innovative, super smart, creative people who can get past "the way we have always done it" and discover new, better ways to do it. Kinda like beekeeping, up against the challenge of mites, CCD and other issues.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2010, 04:52:17 PM »

Use it up, that will accelerate the invention curve.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2010, 05:00:17 PM »

Think "BIG OIL COMPANIES" or coal

While there is money to be made they will keep it where the oil and coal are just a wee bit cheaper to use than the alternative stuff. As that trickles in and the oil trickles out, then the other stuff will finally be affordable.

Remember we were suppose to run out of oil in the nineties I believe it was. You were around during the oil crunch of the early seventies right?
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2010, 05:26:55 PM »

We will BE oil before we run out of oil.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2010, 09:42:59 AM »

I say gas will be 5 to 7 dollars a gallon by mid summer.

Prices going down...go figure...
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »

Insert giant straw - get a portion of the oil.
Insert giant straw with inflatable donut around it - get it all.
I really believe it could be that simple.
Just because it is a big problem does not mean there is not a small solution.
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2010, 10:35:13 AM »

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I think this challenge will be met by innovative, super smart, creative people

yup.  and they have always existed.  the product will be developed and brought to market when a profit can be made.  the government could help by getting the EPA, and tree huggers out of the way.  they could offer incentive like tax reduction or even tax free profit to the first company that comes up with a viable/cost effective alternative to ?.  

so far, what has been done is expensive and damaging.  wind and solar are not cost effective and can't be done on large enough scale (yet) to make a dent in power needs.  dumping a major food source into our gas tanks is just plain stupid.  


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Seeing as you are one person sharing a resource that belongs to the entire planet

we are not sharing anything.  we are buying from those who own the land over whatever resource we need.  

all that aside, it makes no sense to force drilling so far off shore and to restrict drilling on land.  this spill would not be so hard to control if the companies had not be forced to drill so far out and so deep.

i remember the days when it seemed that everyone in CA had an oil well in their backyard.  

regulations and  tree huggers have forced many who would innovate to give up.  it's not worth the fight, and if you are not a big company, it's not worth the money.
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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2010, 01:53:01 PM »

I say gas will be 5 to 7 dollars a gallon by mid summer.

Prices going down...go figure...

I hope I'm wrong but summer is not here yet.
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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2010, 04:13:24 PM »

Insert giant straw - get a portion of the oil.
Insert giant straw with inflatable donut around it - get it all.
I really believe it could be that simple.
Just because it is a big problem does not mean there is not a small solution.


I was thinking the first devise they sent down would have worked if they hooked the hose to it so they could circulate the water through it so it wouldn't ice up. But then we aren't the brainiacs are we?
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2010, 02:04:02 AM »

I say gas will be 5 to 7 dollars a gallon by mid summer.

Prices going down...go figure...


the oil that is being spilled had no bearing on the price of gas this summer. that oil would never have made it to production to affect the price of gas during the summer much less next winter.
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2010, 10:40:55 AM »

As a former commercial diver with American Oilfield Diver now called Stol Comex seaways this spill makes me sick.  Not that it happened, but how many safeguards that were ignored or allowed to be ignored.  It also makes me sick on how the lame stream media are reporting the spill.  Next, spills are reported in how many barrels are dumped not gallons, I guess it just sounds like better to use gallons. 
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2010, 10:58:47 AM »

Gallons = bigger numbers
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2010, 01:20:02 PM »

 dumping a major food source into our gas tanks is just plain stupid.  


And more costly in energy production "oil" to produce the inefficient corn ethanol than just making auto fuel = 90% gasoline + 10% gasoline (not a typo)
with corn being a grossly inefficient ethanol producer compared to cane sugar or sugar beet as well.
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2010, 12:13:53 PM »

 

Here's what I want to know.  Where is Hollywood?  How about GulfAid concert to raise funds.  Seen any hotlines to make a donation to the victims or for clean-up.  This is a screaming example of what does and does not trigger the LGF (Liberal Guilt Factor).  The LGF is only triggered to give handouts to chronic losers and failed societies.  If it is Haiti they are all over it.  If it is the slums of New Orleans they can't give enough.  In this case it is hard working fisherman, platform workers and those that make it off of the tourist trade and hospitality.  People with jobs or at least used to have jobs.  Obama summed it up  "these are resilient people who will bounce back".  Therefore no help is needed?  No need to come together on this as BP will pay for everything or he will "kick their ass".  The audacity of arrogance........... 

Speaking of Obama.  Did you hear the media let him get away with his comment that he was on the Gulf 30 days ago.  News Flash!  this thing has been going on for over 40 days.  As I recall he was on vacation when this happened and did nothing but send attorneys to see who could be sued.

As we all know this oil spill is Bush's fault right?  What else you got?

 
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2010, 02:53:31 PM »

But really what is the point in Obama spending all those tax dollars to fly down to the gulf? Kick a bit of tar and soil the toe of his shoe so he can say, "I am looking into it"

There is nothing he can do there that he can not do over the phone. Then the money saved could be sent to help those that are harmed by the mess. A lot of people do not realize there is more than just the cost of the huge jet the president flies in. There are other planes involved also. I am not sure what all there is but there is a lot.
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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2010, 03:55:06 PM »

there is nothing he can do to stop the spill.  what he could have been doing is making sure that the needed things were not tied up in red tape.  we don't need an environmental study before we try to keep oil off the beach.  even if the plan didn't work, doing nothing doesn't work either.  the other huge mistake he's made is to suspend drilling.  how many more people does he want out of work?  taxes not paid?  state economy impacted even more than already?
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2010, 10:24:34 AM »

The point of the President going to a catastrophe is leadership.  In times of crisis people look for a leader.  The cost of flying the president to the Gulf is the same as flying him to a vacation destination.  It's his job.  I know it's the first job he has ever had but I still expect him to do it.

This spill is America's problem not BP's.  Fine them,  throw them in jail, "kick their ass" whatever you do to BP doesn't solve the problem.  The president should be calling for Americans to unite and get this thing cleaned up and the coast back to work.  Instead it is a blame game and more decisions that only amount to increasing the problems for coastal communities.  He has refused help from several countries who had equipment to help us out.  Instead we opt for a limited number booms and skimmers which are 1970's technology while other more modern solutions are overlooked.

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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2010, 01:56:19 PM »

What  huh  huh

I would think a true leader would point out the uselessness and wastefulness of him going down there to stand on the beach, shake his fist out toward the gulf and curse out BP.

It waste tax payer's money.
It adds to the carbon foot print.... if you believe in that crap..... which he does.
Does nothing to curb our dependence on foreign oil.

OH! and while the average citizen might get a paid vacation..... their travel expense are not covered.
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