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« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2010, 11:38:39 AM »

My experience with anti gun people have been the ones to hide and peer from behind the curtains if there is a neighbor in trouble. They prefer not to become involved.I am proud to say most of the time around here,if a neighbor is in trouble,it is a gun owning neighbor that comes to their side. not necessarily packing heat or anything.
I know if some crack head from the city comes here to prey on some helpless soul,and it does happen,that I would rather have the gun toting neighbor show up than the timid people who only to gossip around the neighborhood the next day about what happened.
We had an incident of a less volatile nature a while back and it only took 1 1/2 hours for the police to come.
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« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2010, 08:40:59 PM »


The Massachusetts health care bill is very popular in the state and Mass has the lowest uninsured rate in the country. I would call that a success.
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WHAT???  Says who?  I live here in Massachusetts, and trust me, the liberal, lamestream media isn't covering the fiscal morass we're wallowing in because of that stupid health care bill.  We are not all happy with it, by a long shot.  Why do you think we elected Scott Brown?  Please, know what you're speaking about before you say something as sweeping as that.  Oh, and quoting anything from the Boston Globe gets you no credibility points at all.  Know why they've lost more readership than any newspaper in the country this year?  It's because they're so in the liberal tank.  We're fed up with that malarkey, things really are going to change in Massachusetts come November.
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« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2010, 08:49:47 PM »

i was hoping you'd jump on that  smiley
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« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2010, 09:00:41 PM »

i was hoping you'd jump on that  smiley
Sorry, I'm playing catch-up. 

Gun laws in Massachusetts are ridiculous.  You have to have your gun under your personal control (that means strapped to your body) in order to 'carry' it.  You can't have a gun read to go in your home, because - well, it's for 'the children', don'tcha know.  So, robber, while you're sneaking up my stairs after you've broken into my home, please, could you wait just a minute while I fumble (in the dark) with the combination to my safe and get my gun out  rolleyes

Then there's the game that's played by the various town police chiefs who have the ultimate control over whether or not you get your concealed carry permit - I could go on and on.

Sounds to me as though it is much easier to be a gun owner in California than here in the bluest of the blue states.
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« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2010, 09:07:53 PM »

both California and Oregon are open carry states.  i never had a problem owning or getting guns in CA, but i have not lived there for a long time.  i have no problem going between open carry states.  as long as the gun is legal and is out, it's (supposed) to be ok. when i go to CA or WA i just pull it out and put it on the seat in plain view.  that may not make the cops any happier, but it should be enough to keep me out of trouble.  smiley

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« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2010, 09:13:04 PM »

both California and Oregon are open carry states.  i never had a problem owning or getting guns in CA, but i have not lived there for a long time.  i have no problem going between open carry states.  as long as the gun is legal and is out, it's (supposed) to be ok. when i go to CA or WA i just pull it out and put it on the seat in plain view.  that may not make the cops any happier, but it should be enough to keep me out of trouble.  smiley

as i said once before, i'd rather explain my gun to a cop than have a cop explain my death to my husband.............
Or another quote that someone that retired from law enforcement told me. ( I would rather be judged by one than carried by six.) AMEN. Wink
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« Reply #86 on: May 04, 2010, 11:15:52 PM »

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Maurice Clemmins was serving a 108 year sentence for armed robbery when Mike Huckabee pardoned him. He then went and executed four cops.

a distinction might be made between someone who is in prision and someone who has been released and had years to prove that they have changed.  in general, i am not in favor of pardons, however i have my exceptions.  we all have probably heard of people who have been released from jail because of new evidence, but the record takes years to clear.  that would be a case for pardon, i think.... 


Maurice Clemmins was pardoned after making threats of killing police officers.  I have no problem with the use of pardons when properly applied but Huckabee's call on Clemmins and several others was thoughtless.

Vibe, I was speaking as to State authority in pardons and amnesty.  The BATFE may have the federal authority to opt to accept or reject such pardon/amnesty by a state but that authority doesn't affect what transpires within a state.  It is entirely possible for a pardoned felon with his state rights to possess firearms restored to legally obtain a concealed weapons permit within the state and still be denied the access to buy a weapon from a FFL holder.
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« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2010, 12:47:06 AM »

As someone who cares deeply about gun rights, I don't think a sign like that helps our cause at all.  I think it sends the wrong message.  Actually, I think it tells the world, "here lives just another wack-job gun owner."

Absolutely! As a nasty liberal in a family full of conservatives, this conversation comes up often. Personally, I think the NRA, Ted Nugent and others like him "shoot themselves in the foot" with this kind of attitude.

Believe me, getting in somebody's face while touting the benefits of owning a firearm are not a great combination.

Being intelligent, considerate and safe while owning a firearm are.
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« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2010, 05:34:10 AM »

I think that is the big problem; why should we conservatives sit back and be quiet while you liberals down us conservatives and our ideals.
 the liberals are always expressing their opinion while the conservaties are laying their lives on the line so that they can have the option of expressing their views. There are a lot of countries that have given up their rite and not only guns but the ability to tout their views.
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« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2010, 10:05:58 AM »

you are so right, bud.  we are the majority, but we have been quiet....intellegent and considerate.  in the view of the libs, who are neither on any subject, if we open our mouths we are inciting ??
our mistake.  we should have learned in the 60's.
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« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2010, 12:31:35 PM »

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WHAT???  Says who?  I live here in Massachusetts, and trust me, the liberal, lamestream media isn't covering the fiscal morass we're wallowing in because of that stupid health care bill. We are not all happy with it, by a long shot.  Why do you think we elected Scott Brown? Please, know what you're speaking about before you say something as sweeping as that.


What does electing Scott Brown have to do with your unhappiness with your health care bill? HE VOTED FOR IT!

If you care to read the bill Scott Brown voted for here is the full text. http://masscare.org/ma-single-payer-bill/an-act-to-establish-the-massachusetts-health-care-trust/#Section1 Note in section three where it talks about it being an establishment of a single payer system. Wink

I remember him defending that vote on the campaign trail so he still believes in your bill.

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« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2010, 02:11:06 PM »

he did defend it.  however, it is driving insurance companies out of the state and costing way more than anyone expected.  it is not working well.  having looked at the MA mess, we ought to have taken the lesson, but this was never about providing  health care.  this was always about government power.  government power and union power can not be separated in a socialist country.  that's why the unions support single payer. 

it ain't rocket science.  turn on the news and watch Europe implode. 
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« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2010, 02:16:08 PM »

ahh...

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lol...apparently we're not alone in our love for guns...pistols...rifles....

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« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2010, 05:55:37 PM »

you are so right, bud.  we are the majority, but we have been quiet....intellegent and considerate.  in the view of the libs, who are neither on any subject, if we open our mouths we are inciting ??
our mistake.  we should have learned in the 60's.
Quiet? Really? Not in any family gathering, public forum or conversation I have ever been in. Interesting. I would consider it to be the liberals who tend to swallow their views.

But, getting back to the point at hand, stupidity along with owning guns does not make people leery of guns feel safer. Duh. Guns kill things, so probably everyone feels better when the people holding them are intelligent, or at least responsible.

Glad to say I'm surrounded by friends and family who are responsible with their guns.
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« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2010, 06:00:03 PM »

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i just checked mine.  they still have not jumped up and killed anyone.  i must have defective guns.

cars kill people.  sometimes cars kill people without a driver in them.  do you have the same fear of cars?  do you wonder every time you go out the door if some car is going to hit you and kill you?
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« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2010, 06:17:26 PM »

I get tired of this same old argument. Speaking as a liberal I can assure you we are not trying to take away your guns. I personally own more than the average gun owner in this country. I am not the least bit scared of my guns being taken away. I don't jump up and down and cry fire every time a law with some sort of gun regulation attached top it is drafted.... hundreds of these things get drafted each year and don't amount to a hill of beans.

Sure you have the extreme left wing who want guns outlawed, but much like the Right to Lifers, they are putting their efforts into an unrealistic ideal.

There is a very simple solution to influence any issue in this country. Take a kid out and show them proper gun safety, teach them to shoot, teach them to respect guns, and teach them to be responsible with a firearm. Get them excited about the sport and you will preserve it for future generations. The side with the most public support wins...so shape the future public.   
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« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2010, 06:37:29 PM »

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Duh. Guns kill things

i just checked mine.  they still have not jumped up and killed anyone.  i must have defective guns.

cars kill people.  sometimes cars kill people without a driver in them.  do you have the same fear of cars?  do you wonder every time you go out the door if some car is going to hit you and kill you?
The only time I fear guns are when stupid people are holding them. Same with stupid people driving cars. Did I say anything about taking away people's guns? I'm simply suggesting that if gun owners want to keep their gun-owning rights and make other people feel better about that, they should stop doing and saying stupid things. They ruin it for all the great citizens who love to target practice and hunt.

Bluegrass, I couldn't have said it better.

And, for the record, I AM A LIBERAL ADVOCATING SAFE GUN OWNERSHIP. Now, can we all stop pretending that all liberals want guns banned? Our 10-yo son and 7-yo daughter are only allowed to use guns, bows and arrows that they have proven responsibility with. If I ever, EVER heard them lipping off to somebody about their "power" in having a weapon while someone else does not (see original post), my conservative gun-toting husband and my own liberal butt would take those things away from them immediately. While arguing is fun for some people, the point being made is RESPONSIBLE use and ownership of tools whose purpose is to kill.
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« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2010, 06:38:55 PM »

My experience with anti gun people have been the ones to hide and peer from behind the curtains if there is a neighbor in trouble. They prefer not to become involved.I am proud to say most of the time around here,if a neighbor is in trouble,it is a gun owning neighbor that comes to their side. not necessarily packing heat or anything.
I know if some crack head from the city comes here to prey on some helpless soul,and it does happen,that I would rather have the gun toting neighbor show up than the timid people who only to gossip around the neighborhood the next day about what happened.
We had an incident of a less volatile nature a while back and it only took 1 1/2 hours for the police to come.
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Yeah, well my parents were nearly shot by their gun-toting neighbors who thought they had heard something going on in my parents' yard. Gotta say, my parents were not comforted by this at all.
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« Reply #98 on: May 06, 2010, 06:54:13 PM »

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you are correct.   no one will say that we can no longer own guns.  they will continue to chip away at gun ownership with more and more regulation.  they will make buying ammo more and more difficult.  i have no idea how you define liberal, but the extreme left is now in charge of our government.  that should give you some concern.  it was also fairly easy for place like NY and DC to make gun ownership so difficult that few would qualify to own guns.

it's great that you have guns and appreciate them.  i'll say again, if you are voting for those who do not support our right to keep guns, you are part of the problem.  BTW.."right to lifers" are not the extreme.  there are more people in this country opposed to abortion on demand than those who support it.
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« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2010, 06:59:01 PM »

Obama is so moderate that I can hardly tell the difference between him and Bush. Who is the extreme left in control of our gov't?

As for any gun control being a hidden agenda to disarm the country, that sounds a little bit paranoid. My conservative husband believes there should be some control on guns and doesn't feel like each control proposed is a hidden agenda to actually take away his guns. I can understand the feeling, though, that each step feels like a step closer to banning guns. I just don't see it happening.

But, it's interesting that this debate happens at the same time as another thread on this forum receives full support from "conservatives." When we're talking about encroachment on other people's rights, that's okay. But our own rights, not okay. I guess it's hard to decide when you DO want gov't involved and when you don't...
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