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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2010, 09:30:18 PM »

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We all get frustrated with the perceived unfairness when our position is on the losing side or when our majority is having to deal with a recalcitrant minority

i can only speak for myself, but this is not the source of my anger.  god knows i have been through enough admins that i didn't agree with.  i have never felt that the government was intentionally trying to destroy the fabric and founding of our country...until now.  i don't think we even have to suppose this.  we only need to  hear their words and look at the people who surround them.  if we understand where they, and in particular our president, have come from, we know where they want to go.  you can  not embrace marxist ideology and surround yourself with those who embrace marxist ideology, then say you support the american way of life as we have known it. 

so i am angry, yes.   not because of a disagreement between republicans and democrats, but because of a disagreement between the communist ideology and the capitalist ideology.  and i am angry that the american people were to stupid to do their own  homework before handing this inexperienced child so much power.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2010, 10:37:23 PM »

It isn't perfect, and it never was.  We all get frustrated with the perceived unfairness when our position is on the losing side or when our majority is having to deal with a recalcitrant minority.  But then when the positions are reversed we all appreciate why the system is designed to give some degree of protection to the minority.  The framers knew it was a compromise system which would usually never please everyone at any given time - which is exactly why it has worked for so long. Pure democracy probably would not.


It is not about unfairness. It is about politicians paying no heed to the fact that the Constitution was written to "limit" the powers of the federal government.

Nothing more,nothing less.Dumbing down the population is the best way to overstep the restrictions the Constitution has placed upon the representatives.Just find a young kid and ask if they know what the "Bill Of Rights"is.Chances are the school has not spent much time on it.
  Another  way is to appoint activist judges that"legislate" from the bench.
The states have been irresponsible by letting the Feds assume powers that were to be powers of the states.If we do not rescind some of the power the federal government has taken upon itself,we will soon be enslaved by it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 02:38:59 AM »

Representative democracy is still democracy.  

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It suits some people to misconstrue others idea of democracy, for political ends. There lies chaos.
cider is still attempting to understand the concept of multiple definitions of democracy, one mans 'democracy' can be anothers fascistism. Wink its still twee though.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 09:00:16 AM »

I do not think the term Democracy is in the constitution.

But the term Republican form of government is.

Article IV
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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 09:09:10 AM »

Here you go


http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html


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An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government--needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.

These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.


Then it goes into the description of each.
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2010, 10:09:46 AM »

Here you go


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An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government--needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.

These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.


Then it goes into the description of each.


So, is that from an impartial source?
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2010, 10:36:52 AM »

sounds good so far.  that's why representative republic is more accurate than representative democracy although i have heard both used by constitutional scholars.
representative republic might be more accurate in distinguishing us form parliamentary forms of government which are representative but not accountable.

Websters:  republic:  b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.


cider it's 'one mans' socialism is another  mans' fascism'.  you don't get to fascism from democracy.  fascism and socialism/communism are almost indistinguishable in most things.  both Stalin and Hitler made that point as the signed their non aggression treaty.
 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2010, 03:18:53 PM »

If anybody has one, there use to be definitions of the two in old military training manuals.

I think they had to be before 1970 but not sure. Just another deletion by the government so they can instill their own ideas into the minds of new recruits.
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2010, 09:23:11 PM »

Representative democracy is still democracy.  

Thank You!
It suits some people to misconstrue others idea of democracy, for political ends. There lies chaos.
cider is still attempting to understand the concept of multiple definitions of democracy, one mans 'democracy' can be anothers fascistism. Wink its still twee though.
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I am not misconstruing anything, that insinuates some kind of dishonesty on my part.  I disagree with what you are saying.  And I will say it again, we do not have a true 'democracy', one person, one vote.  It is a representative republic, and there is a demonstrable difference between the two.

'And to the Republic, for which we stand'.
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