queen rejection

[wd]

I checked 2, 1 deep boxes this morning for the possibility of another queen after finding to queens rejected.

Hive 1 has some open queen cells, capped drone cells and drones walking about on every frame, there is some capped brood, didn't see any new brood but the bees were really thick and I may have missed it. I didn't brush any bees off, basically just watched and rechecked each frame 3 times.

Hive 2 is the same but has one capped queen cell that I noticed.

I've done a search and read through these two threads

Finding the queen http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,22817.0.html 

Locating the queen http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,20932.0.html

I've found a few techniques I didn't try, I'd still like to ask what you may think

[kathyp]

just takes some practice.  easier to look for eggs and larvae.  when you find the frames with eggs, she'll usually be there or next to it.  wait a few days and check again.

[wd]

will do ...

[mherndon]

The original queen doesn't have to be in there.  If you removed her or she was accidentally killed and emergency cells were started, they could be queen right.  If you wait over 48 hours after a queen is removed or accidentally killed, and there are eggs or larvae at the proper age, the bees will start queen cells.  Once these cells are started, the hive will soon become queen right.  Been there and done that.  Queens need to be introduced in 24 hours or less in my opinion for a queen to best be accepted.  Others may chime in, but I think I am right.

Mark

[wd]

The original queen doesn't have to be in there.  If you removed her or she was accidentally killed and emergency cells were started, they could be queen right.  If you wait over 48 hours after a queen is removed or accidentally killed, and there are eggs or larvae at the proper age, the bees will start queen cells.  Once these cells are started, the hive will soon become queen right.  Been there and done that.  Queens need to be introduced in 24 hours or less in my opinion for a queen to best be accepted.  Others may chime in, but I think I am right.

Mark

excuse me, just noticed your comment... thanks for the insight.

[wd]

Checked yesterday. I did find a queen in hive 1, she was on the last frame trying to hide under a layer of bees. There was also a nubby capped queen cell in this one. couldn't find a queen in any of the others but they all have capped queen cells.

Personally, I think they are now in the "building queen cell mode". Whether I like it or not they will not accept a new queen and the process would be pointless to try and stop. I'm going to get out of the way and let them sort it.

discovered I didn't have my smoker in the box after I suited up. all went well in that sense.

[wd]

a queen - not sure why my camera did this, maybe the screen on the veil? its the only one took.



had to go check on feed .. made sure I had my smoker