Is this not the same the world over?
If a person serves in the military for a long time (I completed 10 years) they receive a pension.(I don't)
The Department of Defense pays the pension.
Who funds the Department of Defence?
The Tax payer!
Would you have it that they don't receive their 'just deserves'
Lots of people may have contributed a lot to society but may not end up with a pension, free health care etc, doe's that make them any less a citizen?
it might be the same the world over, but seeing how that's working out, all the more reason for us not to go down that road.
i don't have a problem with a company paying a pension. that is a contract you make with that company. the defense of the country is one of THE VERY FEW things that the constitution mandates the federal government do.
to that end, the government agrees to pay those who spend at least 20 years in nasty living conditions with people occasionally shooting at them, a pension. a pension that they might otherwise have had if they had skipped the military and gone to work for a private company. yes, it is paid by the tax payer. so are police and fire pensions, and for the same reasons. those same people also pay taxes on their income.
you confuse what someone earns, or contracts for a retirement, with the welfare that is SSI, medicare, and now this health care plan. a person does not have the right to anything that they do not earn.
we see europe. we do not want to be europe.
People are "forced" to pay into Social Security!
People are "forced" to pay for Unemployment INSURANCE!
People are "forced" to pay into Medicare INSURANCE
Hell, in my State people are "forced" to pay for auto INSURANCE
Now, all of a sudden, it's the end of the world because people have to pay for health insurance? LOL!
I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars going to the uninsured showing up at my county hospital.
I have my reasons that I'm against this bill, but believe me, most of your guys reasons sound very hypocritical.
you seem to think that we think these things are good. they are not. i would do away with all these programs in a heartbeat.
it is true that you pay for those who use the ER for primary care. two points on that. 1. the ER is required to treat them. 2. it costs a lot less to pay for these people than the cost of this bill. if the point of the bill was to cover the uninsured, we will now spend somewhere north of 34k a year per uninsured person to make sure they are covered. this might make a cynical person wonder what the real point of the bill was?
government has very few responsibilities. among them, to make sure that those who can not care for themselves are seen to. society has the responsibility to care for the poor, etc. when you confuse the responsibilities of society, with the power of the government, very soon you have government and no society.