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Offline Dallasbeek

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Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« on: August 14, 2016, 06:27:30 PM »
How would you go about doing a split from a Langstroth hive into a top bar hive?  I saw one guy on here who hung some frames at the front end of a TBH, at 90 degrees to the top bars, and developed major problems, so obviously that's not the way to go.  i don't want to get a package and queen to start a TBH.  I'd prefer to split one of my hives, but I'm just perplexed as to how to go about it.
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2016, 07:02:39 PM »
Dallas
I have no bee experiance and only read alot.  One ideal that comes to mind comes from abby warre's book "The poeples hive"  He was a firm believer in filling the hive in spring with about 4lbs of bees and just destroying the brood.  Why couldn't you just shake bees out of the hive and make a package for the long hive.  You might want to start with a nuc for the long hive so you could move it a few miles away for a couple weeks.  Or Just do a teranova split (spelled wrong I am sure) and fill it with young wax making bees and feed.
Just my guesses
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2016, 07:33:21 PM »
 If your top bar hive is the same dimension as the lang. then put a couple of empty bars in the lang. and let them build comb and lay eggs then put it in the bars in the top bar hive shake some bees and feed them, they should make a queen. or put the queen with them and let the lang. hive make the queen.
 Not a big expert here but I have done this before.
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 07:43:54 PM »
Gww, I had read about Taranov splits, but had forgotten about them.  Yes, that would be great except my hives face a 4-foot retaining wall topped by an 8-foot fence and are only about 3 feet from the wall.  This forces them up upon exiting the hive, which is good, but doesn't leave space for a ramp.  I would love to try a Taranov split sometime, though.  Maybe I'll relocate my hives with that in mind.  Thanks for the response.
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 07:46:47 PM »
Eugene, my top bars are much longer than the top bar on a Lang, but maybe I could use wire ties to fasten frames to top bars.  Good suggestion.  Thanks.
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 08:02:11 PM »
There are YouTube videos of guys removing the sides and bottoms and cutting the plastic foundation to fit the TB hive. Seems to work for them.

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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2016, 08:06:14 PM »
A couple of years back I tried working with Warre hives, and the way I introduced colonies was to tie half a dozen Warre bars underneath my regular frame top bars and then chequer-boarded those in-between drawn brood frames.  When the new bars were drawn out, I cut the Warre bars - now with drawn combs - free and installed them, then simply dumped the bees into the Warre boxes.  Job done, with no problems.

I see no reason why you couldn't tie bars under your Lang top bars, chequerboard them as above, then cut 'em free and re-tie them under your long Top Bars. Having pre-drawn comb like this really helps a colony get off to a good start.

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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2016, 09:45:20 PM »
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On the other forum I frequent, I have been reading that some doing the split don't worry about the ramp.  They take the hive several to 50 feet off and shake over a ramp to a differrent empty box.  They said they liked this better cause they didn't have to worry about angry foragers cause they flew immediatly back to the parent location where a box also was.  I have only read about this stuff so use your own judgement.
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 09:52:19 PM »
Here is something I think that would work great for you. If you want to work smarter rather than harder. hahaha




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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 12:46:55 AM »
You may try taking a bar or two off the TBH and set the super with the bees over the TBH.  That is what I have done to get my TBH to do Lang frames to sling out.   I leave all that they do in the TBH for them.
That is the first hive I had, it has had bees in it every since,  I have several supers on it now.


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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 09:51:02 AM »
How would you go about doing a split from a Langstroth hive into a top bar hive?  I saw one guy on here who hung some frames at the front end of a TBH, at 90 degrees to the top bars, and developed major problems, so obviously that's not the way to go.  i don't want to get a package and queen to start a TBH.  I'd prefer to split one of my hives, but I'm just perplexed as to how to go about it.

This would require some wood work, but I have seen pictures of a nucleus hive attached to the end of a top bar (in this case it seemed permanent).
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Re: Conversion frm Langstroth ot TBH
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 11:22:37 AM »
I always do a shaken swarm.  Similar to the taranov method but I shake them into the top bar hive and the field force flies home.  Make sure you give the queen to the top bar hive as they will have no brood to rear a new queen.
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