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Author Topic: Pollen patty consumption rates and times.  (Read 2352 times)
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« on: February 02, 2010, 04:32:22 PM »

How long approximately will a patty last in a brood box? I am asking about a box that has vey little pollen available in the area. Pleanty of nectar though. The box is a full depth eight framer.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2010, 11:04:50 PM »

hi
    i just got back from my yards, i put two pollan Patty's per hive .i go back in and see how they are going in fortnight.last year when i was feeding i found it was around a fortnight.it can vary on the strenth of your hive.i also found some hives hardly touched it,with in couple weeks you no how much to give them.keep eye on the hive beetle,as they might be attracted to it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 07:43:02 PM »

hi
    this might help go to http//www.honeybee.com.au go in to library.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 03:08:26 AM »

I really have no idea as I've never needed them, but maybe email they supplier you're thinking of buying them from such as C.B. Palmer & Co: http://www.honeybee.com.au/cbp/index.html or bindaree.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 04:53:58 AM »

I used a recipe I got from one of the posts off this site we are using so am still in the getting to know them phase. My mentor beek had looked at the frames with me and said that there was no pollen around here at the moment. Plenty of nector but the brrod is very small. I want to use the patties to build up the brood.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 08:06:56 AM »

I have feeded patty 20 years to bees. When bees get enough multiflower pollen, they stop eating the patty.

Normal consumption to 2-box hive, which has 10 frames brood, it is about 700 g/week.  At least 500 g/week. If bees do not like the taste, it is 50% less or some denay to eate it.

One spring they did not get from nature pollen and consumed only patty 2 months. Then the brooding stopped totally. With other beekeepers which did not feeded pollen, they brooding stopped 2 weeks earlier.

If you have such pastures, you should get pollen frames from other places and then save them to your nectar place.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 08:10:30 AM »


This my text from Finnish forum

Feeding of bees

You may feed pollen alone with honey but it is expencive. You may compensate 80% of pollen with yeast and soya flour.

MAAREC:s paper is very good.

http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/HBBiology/nutrition_supplements.htm

http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/apiculture/factsheets/423_nutrition.pdf

From Australia   information May 2005 : https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/downloads/05-054.pdf
FAT BEES
SKINNY BEES
-a manual on honey bee nutrition for beekeepers-

From internet I learned that I can use soya flour and yeast with pollen. If you put over 20% pollen to mixture, it is palatable for bees.

I make dough with dough machine.

3 kg dry irradiated pollen
0,7 litre water to soften pollen over night
3 kg dry baker yeast
2 kg soya flour with fat or without
1 kg fructose ( or honey if you do not have AFB)
1 kg flour sugar
3 multivitamin pill crushed and diluted into water.
150 mg C- vitamin = Ascorbic acid powder
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10,7 kg total

Add two table spoon food oil if soya is fatfree.

28% pollen

If dough is too wet, add soya flour and balance the mixture with it.

Then I roll the paste between two dough paper to 5-8 mm plate and give it to the top bars of frame. During one week 2 super colony can eat 0,5-1 kg that dough. New born bees eat it very eargerly.

Near 20% pollen all colonies are not willing to eat dough. Keep total sugar content 50%. If yeast make bubbles add sugar.
Fructose take moisture from air.

Dough will be in condition at least 3 weeks in cold.

Store dough in plastic case. When you make more plates, warm up diugh in micro wave oven so you may work with it.

Place patty very near of brood area on frames.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 08:12:05 AM »

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Patty between baking paper

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 11:10:07 AM »

I know I'll slap a full pollen patty on a hive (usually one deep, or one and a half deeps) and they will consume it in a week and a half to two weeks, if they are hungry. I usually put one on and check on it every week, just to make sure. You don't want them to run out.

I have noticed that it depends on the product though. Some patties get eaten up fast, others just sit there for a while.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 11:47:35 AM »

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that's smart.  never thought of it.  did it by hand and it was messy.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 11:51:41 PM »

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I make dough with dough machine

that's smart.  never thought of it.  did it by hand and it was messy.

But it may be expencive. I have broken the machine 4 time. One machine totally and in 3 cases I needed spare parts.

The patty must be warm and not too stiff that it moves easily in the machine.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 02:50:30 AM »

A big and genuine thank you to all replies so far. The information is very helpful. The photo is also very informative.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 08:08:39 PM »

hi
    just brought box pollen patty her `15kg $175.00 plus $15.00 to get them her.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2010, 12:58:44 AM »

Hi Westmar,

where did you purchase the pollen patty from? Was it dry or already made up?
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2010, 11:36:58 PM »

hi
    my pollan pattys from  Quality beekeeping supplies.qualitybeekeepingsupplies.com.au it not one big patty .go on to web have a look i order mine on a wensday her the next day.i find them good no mess all ready made up.
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2010, 02:24:40 AM »

Just checked the hives, what a difference the patties made, bulk more brood, bees and honey around the brood. Not a crumb of patty left. Put new patties in each box. Will watch and see.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 08:52:20 PM »

hi mardak
             just wondering what the recipe you are trying out.did you have trouble getting the ingredient.i normally go through 30kg in bad times.might work out a lot cheaper to make them.went for a drive about her got a spot to put bees on brown box it another tree that produces nectar very little pollan. have you noticed a increase in hive beetle since you been feeding.i head to yard Tuesday to put Patty's out plus bring some hives back for brown box.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 04:17:34 AM »

Checked them yesterday, lots more brood, no pollen patties left. I use Pollen, Soy Flour, Yeast and sugar. easy enough to make the mix. Put another patty in each box. Can give you quantities if you want. One my kids (a 20 year old adult) thought it was a bikkie and said it tasted good. The next generation are just so intelligent.
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