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Offline johnnybigfish

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bees and roses
« on: January 28, 2010, 08:37:17 PM »
does anybody know anything about bees and roses? I'm figurin' on planting roses this year instead of a garden.But, if bees dont like roses much I guess 'll have to come up with another plan :)

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 08:41:20 PM »
Based upon what I have read, bees don't like roses........................ or tomatoes! 
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 08:49:20 PM »
nope.  i have lots of roses and very rarely do i see a bee on them.  go to your local nursery and ask them if they know what grows in your are and attracts honey bees. 
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 09:02:16 PM »
They will use roses for pollen when nothing else is blooming.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 09:46:28 PM »
Hmmm...I might still grow roses....Mostly for me to look at I suppose then....And blackberries and moonflowers for the bees!
My tomatoes didnt do well last year but it seems cantalope did real good!And, it was the first time I ever did cantalope!.Youre right about the tomatoes tho, cuz I knew the bees dont care for them much.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 05:23:16 PM »
Last spring, I planted some blueberry bushes/plants in large pots and placed them on my deck.  Since it was the first  year, the blueberry's did not bloom.  But I'm anticipating that the bees will be attracted to them this spring!
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 10:27:28 PM »
I know that bees have a hard time seeing the colour red. Thats why red flowers are more rare. Red flowers are mostly pollinated by butterflies that can see red. Or so ABC & XYZ says.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 11:23:18 PM »
I never saw the bees in the roses, but this past summer is the first time I've seen the rose hips swell after the petals fell off; I'm guessing the rose hips had fertile seeds in them. Whether the bees had anything to do with it or if  the rose plants had to mature enough I couldn't say.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 06:41:57 PM »
Raspberries, blueberries, beebalm, hollies, crape myrtles, cockscomb, coneflower.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 02:29:48 PM »
My husband has a lot of roses and I rarely see any bees on them.

When I go shopping for "bee plants" I look for the ones at the nursery that have a lot of bees on them  :-D

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 04:19:39 PM »
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Bees and bumblebees visit much in Rosa rugosa to get pollen. We say it "Road rose". They are every where.

But not rose but  plenty of pollen foragers invite Paeonia officinalis.
It blooms in  early summer.  It may have tens of flowers.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 04:58:31 PM »
After reading the comments, it seems that raspberries, blueberries and blackberries would work well on a small farm, along with most types of clover and buckwheat.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 05:15:51 PM »
I'm not an expert but I understand that bees like flowers that have "centers" such as cone flowers, marigolds, clover, etc.  where they can get to the nectar without having to have a long "mouth" to get to it.  I understand that honeybees don't like honeysuckle because they can't get to the nectar.  Just what I heard!

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 05:41:01 PM »
all great.  i love the buckwheat.  not all clovers.  white is good and maybe a couple of others?  i have some kinds they don't touch.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 09:53:04 PM »
After reading the comments, it seems that raspberries, blueberries and blackberries would work

Blueberry needs very special soil comapered with those other berries.
Soil must be very acid, pH 4,5. It does not grow in same soil as rasberries and blackberries.

But raspberry is one of the best nectar producers. Continuous bearing Polka is a good plant .
Berry weight is 6 g.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 01:42:27 AM »
After reading the comments, it seems that raspberries, blueberries and blackberries would work

Blueberry needs very special soil comapered with those other berries.
Soil must be very acid, pH 4,5. It does not grow in same soil as rasberries and blackberries.

I should get a pH test my blackberries and blueberries grow within feet of each other - the most prolific plant has blackberries right beside it. The one with the largest berries was choked out by blackberry.   (Or I could search PH ranges and try to find a compromise zone to deduce what the soil pH will likely be.)
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 12:06:52 PM »
Finski:  Thanks for adding the photos to your postings.  It makes me look forward to spring.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2010, 12:28:17 PM »

Blackberries grow best when the soil pH is between 5.5 and 7
http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/html/ec/ec1303/


Raspberries grow best at a soil pH of 5.5-6.5,. So, it is same as with blackberry.

Blueberry is totally differnet plant.
My 6 years experience is that it is not possible to grow without pH meter. Digital pH meter is about 100$.
But I love blueberries and I have about 13 different varietes. They grow fine when I have mixed silt and acid pH 4 spagnum peat. When some plants begun to die I byed pH meter, It revealed that pH was 6,5.

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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 12:30:26 PM »
I'll print your post and bring it out to my plants. Maybe they can run a pH test and decide fairly which group should die off.

EDIT: My mistake, I misread the "not possible" post. A pH tester would be a nice gadget to have.
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Re: bees and roses
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »
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I had an opportunity to get Texas Salvia microphylla to grow. It was  really beautifull in a 60 litre container. It bloomed long, 3 months. It has much nectar but a long flower tube. Bees get the nectar when flower drops to the ground.

Now I should get new plants or seeds. It is strange that they are not sold in Europa. Difficult to get.
I like those nectar plants because they invite butterflyes to homeyeard.



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