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« on: January 24, 2010, 11:24:38 AM »

NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND POLITICALLY...THIS IS A NO-BRAINER!

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress.
Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same
pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they
specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such
as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while
ordinary citizens must live under those laws.

The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform Bill...in all
of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite
that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican,
Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop!

          This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has
come.

   
    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States  Constitution:
           
              "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of
the  United States  that does not apply equally to  the Senators and
Representatives; and further, Congress shall make no law that applies  to the
Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of
the  United States ".
           
             
            Each person contact a minimum of twenty people on their
Address list... in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
             
            Then in three days, all people in The United States of
America will have the Message.  This is one proposal that really should be
passed around!
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2010, 05:26:26 PM »

how do you MAKE them pass it?
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 06:11:04 PM »

how do you MAKE them pass it?


Tea Party it.  Inform a few people who will, hopefully, inform a few more people, and so on.  It's called a grassroots movement.  If we can convince 2/3 of the states to pass or enact such a bill calling on Congress to do so it then becomes a constitutional amendment by state action, much a like a referendum by the people at the state level.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 07:31:43 AM »

The Constitution is largely ignored now. Adding an amendment just gives Congress one more to ignore.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 08:17:48 AM »

Term limits would be a good start.
and this:
http://action.change-congress.org/page/s/amendpetition?utm_source=amend&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100127
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 10:22:40 AM »

one side of my gut like term limits.  the other side tells me that elections are the only hold we have over these people.  the power of impending elections is evident now.

i still like my original time limits idea.  less time in washington, more time with their people.  you can see from the town hall meeting that many of them tried to avoid, that time with the people does have an effect.

+ i like the idea of not letting them legislate while they are away from washington.  they would do less damage.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 11:19:56 AM »

unless you are looking to convince non-thinking people, it's helpful to get your basic facts straight.

congresspeople don't retire with "the same pay" after one term.
congresspeople (since 1984) DO pay into social security.  there was a separate system for civil servants that previous to 1984 they paid into (and those elected and still in office since 1984 still pay into this system as opposed to social secruity).

a no-brainer is to become a tool for those looking to misinform...your post was of course pasted from somewhere like:
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11617&posts=2

if you want to convince thinking people of something, you've got to be a thinking person yourself....and that means checking out such things before passing them on.

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NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND POLITICALLY...THIS IS a NO-BRAINER!

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress.
Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same
pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they
specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such
as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while
ordinary citizens must live under those laws.

The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform Bill...in all
of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite
that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican,
Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop!

          This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has
come.

   
    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States  Constitution:
           
              "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of
the  United States  that does not apply equally to  the Senators and
Representatives; and further, Congress shall make no law that applies  to the
Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of
the  United States ".
           
             
            Each person contact a minimum of twenty people on their
Address list... in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
             
            Then in three days, all people in The United States of
America will have the Message.  This is one proposal that really should be
passed around!

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 11:43:46 AM »

yes, it would have been better to simply point out that the feds regularly exempt themselves from the programs in which the rest of us are forced to participate.  that even sounds better IMHO.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 12:44:50 PM »

well, it would be better to offer examples of programs that congress exempts themselves from (hint: the healthcare bill isn't one of them....they are not "exempt", but, like everyone with an employer provided insurance program, they are not expected to go onto the public option if it exists).

but of course, congresspeople _are_ citizens, and as citizens, are subject to the same laws we all are subject to.  if you want their employee benefits to be something specific, demanding that "Congress shall make no law that applies  to the
Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the  United States" doesn't do the job.  not even close.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 10:44:34 PM »



Before term limits we need session limits.  Why do we need a perpetual Congress?  Let's limit each years sessions to 120 days on odd years and 180 days on even years and force our representatives to hobnob with their constituency the remainder of the time.  Personally, I think one of the reasons we end up with so much bad legislation is that, like children, bored Congressmen will brew the devil. 
I doubt our founding fathers ever invisioned a time when more than a parttime congress would be necessary.  Most of our States don't have their legislatures in session all year long, with maybe the exception of California and New York, and the Federal Government shouldn't need more time than that either.  We should only be passing laws for which there is a clear necessity, like amending old laws for techinical innovations, and not as a knee jerk, there aught to be a law, just because something unpleasent happened.
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