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« on: January 14, 2010, 02:08:58 AM »

I find it somewhat disturbing to see in the media that the US Govt seems to have reacted to this tragedy quicker than it did for Katrina.

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 02:53:18 AM »

Sad - Katrina was a mess because the state guard was supposed to be called forth by their respective governors (they never did) Fema's help was also supposed to be asked for - a little bit of constitutional complexity that could have been easily avoided if the local and state authorities had a clue what they were supposed to do in an emergency. but the "point-your-finger-at-Bush-because-you-screwed-up" tactic had its desired effect. Bush and FEMA got the blame for katrina rescue and aftermath being a clusterfoxtrot.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 11:37:43 AM »

bee happy is right.  mick, almost everything you saw on the news about katrina was BS.  even NGOs like mine were kept out in the beginning by incompetent and corrupt local "leadership".  FEMA is supposed to be a coordinating agency for national disaster.  it is not a 1st responder agency and even if it were, the state still has to ask for help.  katrina was a charlie foxtrot, but not at the federal level. 

it was a perfect chance for the left to blame bush.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 12:09:05 PM »

bee happy is right.  mick, almost everything you saw on the news about katrina was BS.  even NGOs like mine were kept out in the beginning by incompetent and corrupt local "leadership".  FEMA is supposed to be a coordinating agency for national disaster.  it is not a 1st responder agency and even if it were, the state still has to ask for help.  katrina was a charlie foxtrot, but not at the federal level. 

it was a perfect chance for the left to blame bush.

I agree. It's just shameful when they exaggerate things and point fingers just to make political hay.  Just Plain Shameful.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 03:35:13 PM »

And it will become perfectly clear, in a few days, that the earthquake in Haiti was actually orchestrated by Cheney, Bush and the Halliburton Machine.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 04:12:02 PM »

And it will become perfectly clear, in a few days, that the earthquake in Haiti was actually orchestrated by Cheney, Bush and the Halliburton Machine.


Dick sold the H.M. in a yard sale, I believe George Soros has it now, rendering a very poor Nation back to the Stone Age. With the Generosity of the American Citizens, Charities and the US Navy, we can only Hope to bring a little civility to a chaotic environment   Undecided I don't want Obama's Chicago style politics going near Haiti, it's own Gov is already corrupt  angry
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 05:20:18 PM »

And it will become perfectly clear, in a few days, that the earthquake in Haiti was actually orchestrated by Cheney, Bush and the Halliburton Machine.

I think you'll see Obama Apologizing and taking responsibility as he does with every thing else - as if HIS taking the blame ENDS the need for Janet Napolitano and others from upper management in Obama's Inner Circle - he wants nothing to shake up his chosen leadership.

So  small and select group of people received the speach to memorise and they all VERBATIM told us how everything was handled near perfectly and we swallow the whole thing.

So, everything for the next 3 years will be Obama's fault then swept under the carpet, all just to keep his popularity above Bushes.

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 10:56:16 PM »

UPS is apparently offering to send smaller packages to Haiti for free.  unless you know someone there, i do not recommend this as the best way to help.  people are generous, but they send to many things that can not be used.  these things take up space and manpower to sort.  if you wish to help, donate to a reputable charity that is working in the area.

some, like RC allow you to donate to the specific disaster.  that's nice, but if you do that, the money can not be spent on any other disasters.  we had that problem with katrina.  they began the disaster specific donations and then were forced to keep that money from other disasters. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 01:43:08 AM »

Im watching the news hour with Jim Lehrer atm, every man and his dog, including Bill C is telling the world how they are helping and what people should do help. All good, but katrina just sticks in my craw, despite the bleep up at that time.

Boss they say that the terrorist with the bomb in his jocks was a plant. The conspiricy is that he travelled without a passport, was led onto the plane by a pakistani looking bloke, and was filmed the whole time he was on the plane by another dark skinned passenger.

Anyways, look forward to your new Haitian neighbours, coming to a hood near you.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 07:55:03 AM »

I can't imagine the desperateness of the situation for these people.  Piles of dead mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, grandparents laying around. Wounded people in desperate need help.  And growing more desperate because they aren't getting the help they need.

And thousands of willing people to help but no way to get help to those who need it.  I heard that they're telling people not to go down there, there isn't enough jet fuel to get back or space on the ground for supplies.

They need immediate help now, but mostly what they'll need from us is help in the next 5 years.

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 11:01:09 AM »

it's a problem with every disaster.  tons of help floods in.  takes time to get organized so people are tripping over each other.  someone has to figure out who is in charge...

it's good that people are so willing to help, but it's really hard to have 1000's of unaffiliated people flooding into an area. 

mick, get over katrina.  if there hadn't been howling democrats on tv, it would not have been spun  the way it was.  i did the mid-west floods in 08. there was more loss and destruction in those flood and tornadoes than katrina.  the difference was that the state and local leaders actually knew what to do and did it.  they didn't wait for the feds to ride in a fix things.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 04:40:55 PM »

Yep! And even with Katrina there were worlds of difference between the residents of New Orleans and the residents of neighboring Mississippi and Alabama who were also hammered. The people and govts of MS and AL just went to work after the hurricane and rebuilt. Meanwhile, the New Orleans crowd bugged out on Uncle Sam's dollars and went elsewhere to live while other folks rebuilt their city. Couldn't even get people to come back and help with their own houses. That's what decades of welfare and government provided housing gets for us; a totally dependent and useless segment of society who believe they're entitled to live at the expense of those of us dumb enough to keep working and paying them. Then we elect a Prez and a Congress who are hellbent on enlarging that useless mob of ingrates.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 04:53:52 PM »

there was a difference in LA.  i was south of NO where Rita hit right after Katrina.  those folks were fantastic.  they worked hard to dig themselves out and by the end of 3 weeks, they were telling us that they didn't need us anymore.  of course, they had housing issues and things that were going to take longer to solve, but they were not waiting around for someone to rescue them. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 11:20:27 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 08:40:13 AM »


I blame Bush for one thing, he should of realized Nagin the mayor of NO and the Governor of LA were incompetent. Nagin should be in jail for causing a lot of those people to die, instead they reelect him huh, at least they voted the Governor out, every City and State was given sometimes millions of dollars by the federal Gov. to prepare an emergency plan all they had to do was open the book and follow the instructions and they could not even do that right!
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2010, 06:34:52 PM »

it's a problem with every disaster.  tons of help floods in.  takes time to get organized so people are tripping over each other.  someone has to figure out who is in charge...

it's good that people are so willing to help, but it's really hard to have 1000's of unaffiliated people flooding into an area. 

mick, get over katrina.  if there hadn't been howling democrats on tv, it would not have been spun  the way it was.  i did the mid-west floods in 08. there was more loss and destruction in those flood and tornadoes than katrina.  the difference was that the state and local leaders actually knew what to do and did it.  they didn't wait for the feds to ride in a fix things.

Why should I get over Katrina? Forgetting about it before the problems that revealed themselves are fixed for the future just ensures the same will happen again.

This is the very reason why you yanks are stuck with such dreadful governments, too lazy to do anything about it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2010, 06:58:10 PM »

i say to get over it because everything you think you know about katrina is wrong.  you want to harp on it, but you have no idea what you are talking about.  almost none of the stories that come out of katrina and be came "known" by all, were accurate.  they are now part of the mythology of katrina.  great stories with little fact to back them.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2010, 07:19:55 PM »


Why should I get over Katrina? Forgetting about it before the problems that revealed themselves are fixed for the future just ensures the same will happen again.

This is the very reason why you yanks are stuck with such dreadful governments, too lazy to do anything about it.
Florida, Texas, Mississippi AND Louisiana are annually in the path of destructive hurricanes, each with a chance of one of them being a major devastator. (I live in Florida) we sometimes have a couple or several pretty destructive ones in a year, sometimes only one mild one; no one has ever seen the kind of antics in Florida as with New Orleans and Katrina; the governors of the other states you never hear about know the drill - as do the local governments (they're supposed to know the drill- it's what they're elected to do) -It's why if you hear anything at all it's something like: "Pensacola Florida had the crap kicked out of it in a hurricane, clean up is already moving like clockwork."  The governor mobilizes the National guard Before the hurricane makes impact at all, FEMA is placed on notice by the state government PRIOR to landfall (our constitution places jurisdictional limits on federal powers - but all the states have to do is ask for help - they're allowed to do that in advance if it looks like it will be needed.)
The city Mayor of New Orleans failed miserably in Providing transportation out of New Orleans - Colossal failure - (Remember the pictures of all those school buses in 1-1/2 meters of water? Parked in neat little rows? - The city Mayor can commandeer them to evacuate anyone who can be coerced to leave - as far as I know you can't arrest people to force them to evacuate anymore - if that power was available to him he darn well should have used it).  The Louisiana governor Failed to mobilize the Guard, She failed to ask for Federal assistance (Until way the hell after).  Whether the local governments let those poor people rot in misery for the sake of making the Bush Administration look bad or it's just another case of the political brilliance of the democrats knowing how to crap in their own knickers and blame someone else for putting it there I will never be sure.
 Mick we aren't lazy - we're stupid - we keep falling for the same Political misdirection and trickery.  Our emergency system works well as long as the people in it understand how it operates.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 07:49:20 PM »

one other thing to remember.  the feds gave NO money year after year to maintain the levee system.  they used the money for everything but.  right after the hurricane i was able to pull up one levee report.  the money on the report had been used for a park on top of the levee.  i doubt the park added to the safety.

it is also worth remembering that SH.  no matter what the precautions or the plan, bad things happen.  if the people and their leaders fail to have a plan for the aftermath, and they fail to execute that plan, who is to blame?  people have the right not to evacuate.  if they make that choice, they live with the consequences of the choice.  my parents did not evacuate when the fires were coming.  i would have been sad if they had burned in their home, but the blame would have been on them.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2010, 10:36:49 PM »

Mick; if we are so lazy and have such dreadful governments why are all these millions of people still trying to come here? You need to engage your brain and get the facts straight before whining about someone else's country. Many of us worked the aftermath of Katrina and numerous other disasters; we have the facts straight, you don't.
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 02:31:55 AM »

You are wrong. Id say about 80% of what I know about the disgrace that took place is from the horses mouth. 30%TV interviews and footage, 20% radio interviews and 50% one on one chat via internet with people who were there.  Its abysmal that some people in power and the public knew no money was being spent on levy maintenance yet it went on year after year.

The people who risk their lives to come here are largely educated and comparatively wealthy in their own countries. They pay people smugglers to come to paradise. You get poor ignorant desperate people whose idea of paradise is anywhere else on earth. You just happen to be closest.

I just wonder how many are terrorists? How many sleepers are there in your country as a result of the failure of your government to secure its borders. When the wars over it will be the fear of the terror within that will fuel your economy. Buy shares in the security sector if you have some cash.

You are a lazy bunch, what percentage of the population voted last time? If you cant be bothered to tick a box, what hope is there. You get the prize for making war for the last 50 years though, and for owing more money than you can print. Despite all that its a nice place full of many good people.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2010, 07:58:20 AM »

I just wonder how many are terrorists? How many sleepers are there in your country as a result of the failure of your government to secure its borders.
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You are a lazy bunch, what percentage of the population voted last time? If you cant be bothered to tick a box, what hope is there. You get the prize for making war for the last 50 years though, and for owing more money than you can print. Despite all that its a nice place full of many good people.

Pretty harsh judgement for a country founded partially on the principle related in the poem on the Statue of Liberty
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

As the great-great-great ....grandchild of tired, poor, huddled masses, I say we can't just throw that out and lock ourselves down.  As conservative as I may be and wanting more impermiable borders, there still has to be a balance with principles.  I have a feeling more than a few haitians will finally get their dreams and be heading north in the future.  And I wish them the best here as long as they are respectful of us as well.

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2010, 09:56:26 AM »

You are wrong. Id say about 80% of what I know about the disgrace that took place is from the horses mouth. 30%TV interviews and footage, 20% radio interviews and 50% one on one chat via internet with people who were there.  Its abysmal that some people in power and the public knew no money was being spent on levy maintenance yet it went on year after year.

The people who risk their lives to come here are largely educated and comparatively wealthy in their own countries. They pay people smugglers to come to paradise. You get poor ignorant desperate people whose idea of paradise is anywhere else on earth. You just happen to be closest.

I just wonder how many are terrorists? How many sleepers are there in your country as a result of the failure of your government to secure its borders. When the wars over it will be the fear of the terror within that will fuel your economy. Buy shares in the security sector if you have some cash.

You are a lazy bunch, what percentage of the population voted last time? If you cant be bothered to tick a box, what hope is there. You get the prize for making war for the last 50 years though, and for owing more money than you can print. Despite all that its a nice place full of many good people.


You know something, Mick?  You are an ignorant, judgemental fool and you think you know everything about our country when actually you know very little.  I've come to realize you are incapable of discussing anything without trying to prove how superior you are - and truthfully, you aren't.  At this point I'd like to block your posts completely from my view.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2010, 10:02:27 AM »

I'm neither from the USA or Australia; but this thread has a tone that is getting way past polite, and I don't like they way this thread is heading. 

This is to all the authors in this thread: Please read your post twice before you reply to anything in this thread.
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2010, 10:04:07 AM »

I agree and I apologize, but Mick has taken his insults of the United States and the people who live here way too far.
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2010, 10:15:24 AM »

Australia gets upscale immigrants because they have a strict immigration policy.  they don't take the tired and poor.  they take the educated and employable.  that's ok.  maybe that's smart.  as we increase our entitlement programs, we probably will get more people coming here looking for a handout rather than an opportunity.  it surely has happened in European countries with open immigration and generous welfare.

mick, your country beat us to European social welfare.  while we are not far behind you, i think you have no room to talk.  


you are right about the levee maintenance.  the money was spent on everything but.  beyond that, the local response and planning was abysmal.
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You just can't fix stupid.  Katrina did not even hit New Orleans but rather 100 miles east in Mississippi.  The damage in N.O. was a man made disaster because the money was not used to upgrade the levies.  Everyone in New Orleans knew it was going to happen and their local government did nothing about it.  Their whole plan was to have the Feds bail them out.  The people who were stranded in New Orleans by and large chose to stay.  People destroyed the Super Dome not Katrina.

The Feds can not just come rolling into state without being asked to by the state.  We like it that way.  Louisiana is to blame for the damage in New Orleans and slow response of the feds.  Not George Bush. 

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2010, 05:11:43 PM »

As far as the government not reacting, people were warned to get out of low lying areas for 10 days. Guess what,they said why the government will save me ,they always do. in these times of disaster ,rescuers cannot respond during these storms.
As far as Fema,they can not respond until requested by the states if I remember correctly.Guess what,Louisiana thought they were wrong on the forecast again. And people that lived in New Orleans were told the levees would probably be topped by a storm of this magnitude.So I guess they decided to stay anyway.I guess that boils down to personal responsibilty.
  As  far as responding to Haiti disaster,what initially arrived would have been called a poor response if the scenario happened here. Some things just take time to start moving.Lets give this a rest and let foreign nations just be glad we still send help abroad at all.

Heres how the French respond.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/18/french-minister-rips-us-t_n_427366.html
Guess we should have waited for the French to come and run the show.
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2010, 07:14:21 PM »

It's sad to say, but after seeing the actions of N.O. during Katrina, seeing the results of our open borders, the expanding welfare system and other government handouts, especially the bank and auto bailouts, acorn, and the 2008 election, I have to think about agreeing with Mick. Our country is pathetic. My feelings are that it won't be a democracy in another 20 to 30 years. The trash is beginning to outnumber the producers.
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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2010, 09:50:12 PM »

Guess I'll check my ticket, I may be on the wrong boat. ;)doak
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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2010, 10:28:42 PM »

But those People across the BIG pond sure like our forums. shocked rolleyes Smiley ;)doak
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2010, 03:19:23 AM »

Its not as easy to be a bludger here as it used to be. Once upon a time you could be on welfare for life for the ole fake back etc. dribble at job interviews and be unemployed for life if you wanted to be. It was easier then because the cost of living was low. Now welfare is hard to live off unless you are one of those single mums with 5 kids to 6 fathers or worse, a family of 7 that earns 500 a week and 2 grand in support payments. Because the unemployment rate has been below 5% for nearly a decade, the price of housing is very high now, overinflated by 100% actually, but this means renting on welfare is very hard to afford. So that has encouraged many to work because they have to, but its also led to around 40,000 homelss each night in a city of 3 million. This is unacceptable, IMO but a lot are hard core street people now. I think they actually like it.

I cant think of any social policy we have that could be frowned upon or seen as costly.

Our Aboriginal situation is pretty much a disgrace though. $ billion spent in the last 10 years but most of em still live in he dirt and die before the age of 45.

Sure we spend 200 grand to build a family a house, but what can you do when they live in the yard and burn the joint piece by piece for firewood?

I dont see how anyone can be offended by anything that is posted here as nothing is directed at anyone in particular, least of all a casual reader so bored as to follow the post.

I seem to recall something about "Freedom of speech" anyway.

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2010, 09:27:22 AM »

Mick:

I was just about to yell at you when I read this, you have been a grumpy cuss lately and that there is no FREEDOM OF SPEECH in the forum, every time I change a word in the word filter, or remove anyone's posts for any reason, no freedom of speech here - it is a social community, much like a gated community that tells you that your grass must be under 4 inches high and mail boxes at the curb -  We chat within rules that have nothing to do with ANY GOVERNMENTS LAWS, but laws that conform to the Ideals we set forth.

Don't get Beemaster Forum mixed up with Washington, DC Mick.

There was so much of what you said about the WELFARE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES that have never learned that dollars are things that are earned, not something the government sends to Mom and GrandMa's Bank and food cards.  We have the same thing on many topics, except we are12 times larger in population and the problem isn't fully relative to size, it is relative to available jobs and a willingness to work.

Got to go, but thought I'd cover the speech thing, not only for you, but all members unclear about that.

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2010, 10:26:17 AM »

Aw Mick, what'd you say to get kicked in the freckle  huh

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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2010, 11:45:24 AM »

GO SCOTT GO!!!
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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2010, 03:53:43 PM »

GO SCOTT GO!!!
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2010, 03:43:51 AM »

You call me grumpy when you sound like a trailer park owner? (Dallas excepted).

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Mick, this is why I'm the Admin. and you are a member - you tried to offend me in some manor with this post, no member does that to another member here without ramifications. You and I have known each other for years now, and because I tell you to chill with your ever growing confrontational personality, you only look ignorant to what "Might sound like a red-neck slur" aimed at me. But I'll tell you what, I have met many of the people you mentioned in your post traveling around and all were hard working people, trying to make a living in a competitive field. You could call me a tailor park owner any day of the week and I surely would take no offense from it.

You speak of diverse cultures and then can't understand the housing options that people in the US including trailers, modular, etc. According to where you go many are nicer than others, the US has its poor and those whole are handicapped and unable to purchase anything fancier - they are often homeless, even in a great country like ours. Sadly, so much of the country cannot afford larger homes on bigger property, but not all American's are that fortunate. I look at myself Mick as very blessed and never does a single day go by that I don't "Praise God for his blessings on us" so many, throughout our land people are hurting, don't you dare put down Americans who aren't milking the system, but supplying housing on their land for those who need it. Trailer Parks Mick are not just for SECTION 8 WELFARE as you seem to think it is - not here, maybe where you come from. But about calling me a term that you felt was offensive toward me.

You weren't provoked to say something that YOU BELIEVE would insult me , and you said it maliciously. Our members don't do that to each other - You are being warned officially that your character as of late has become confrontational and you should take the time to stay on subject and away from name calling and such.

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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2010, 09:07:17 AM »

I'm still a little confused...you can throw money at people and it won't do them any good.  You can build them a house, and they'll run it to the ground.  You can build them cities, and they'll turn them into slums.

If they don't want to work.  Help is just that, a hand to pull somebody off the ground.  Then they've got to stand and walk themselves. Some people need a little more help getting steady before they can balance.

But we're talking about the people that when you aren't there propping them up all the time, they complain and moan about how horrible things are and fall back over because they won't use the muscles in their legs.

I did get offended, Mick, when you criticized our response to NO (because we aren't there propping these people up?) and criticized our border efforts (easy to do when you are a giant island hundreds of miles from other land!!).  And then called us a lazy bunch.

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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2010, 07:13:05 PM »

I'm ending this post, it is so far off topic and I'm also not happy with Reinbeau's name calling of Mick either, can he be ignorant and judgmental without being a fool, I think so - calling him a fool was uncalled for more than the preceding words.

Please people, if you don't want to follow someone's posts, keep it to yourself or discuss it with the person in PM, not air-out opinions in the forum.
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