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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2010, 10:22:36 AM »

with all due respect kathy, it would have taken you less time to google the story and prove to yourself that it is fake than to make that post.

actually, it would have been better if irwin bothered to google it before posting it here.

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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2010, 11:32:42 AM »

Well I did my job got people talking about something Wink
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2010, 03:07:14 AM »

Its like this: Hes had 12 months to rock the world, hes done nothing. I suspect he is a Marxist plant, no doubt a closeted Muslim whos destiny was made when MLK copped it.

Just a big bag of wind IMO, prolly an uncle Tom too. In 12 more months, he will shut up shop altogether and concerntrate on being re elected. I gather he will run on "I bought em home" but I pity the tens of thousands left on the front line.

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2010, 07:31:41 AM »

What does 'probably an Uncle Tom' have to do with it?  That's a stupid slur for a black person, because they 'act white'  rolleyes  Acting like someone who wants something in life makes them an Uncle Tom, or an Oreo, or whatever.   rolleyes  rolleyes
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2010, 08:22:21 AM »

Sorry. He doesn't even meet the qualifications of an "Uncle Tom" as that is a concept based upon the African American "risen from Slavery" culture. This is NOT the culture Barry was from, or raised in either. If anything he is from the culture of the African tribes that captured and SOLD those that became US slaves into bondage to begin with.
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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2010, 10:17:25 AM »

besides, it's only conservative blacks that are called uncle tom.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2010, 11:17:26 PM »

Just a few comments -

A certificate of live birth was issued for my born-in-Japan child (by the US Embassy), and used as the basis (along with my US citizenship) to give my child US citizenship.  To obtain it, I presented the birth certificate from the hospital in Japan.  So for Hawaii to be issuing them for people not born in Hawaii makes sense to me.

The US recognises dual citizenship - and holding multiple passports.  My children enter and depart the US on their US passports, but when entering or departing from Japan - they present their Japan passports.  When entering any other country - they present the passport that they used on their trip departure.  So if this story had (or has) any truth within it - then it would not be surprising for a US citizen to use another passport.

I do not know if Obama is or isn't a dual citizen - but I don't believe that would be relevant to his qualification to office.
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2010, 11:25:44 PM »

I do not know if Obama is or isn't a dual citizen - but I don't believe that would be relevant to his qualification to office.
You would be Constitutionally incorrect in that belief.
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2010, 12:04:53 AM »

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but I don't believe that would be relevant to his qualification to office.

the constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen.  he can hold any other office if he is born elsewhere, but not the job of president.  it wouldn't be so muddled a question if there where not reports of family making comment about being present at his birth in kenya.  there is also some question of his mothers legal residency, but those questions are even more complicated.

i probably would have chalked it all up to the usual games of politics when it came up, but now i wonder why he does not do the simple thing and produce a birth certificate.  it would be simple and would end speculation.
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2010, 01:43:21 AM »

You would be Constitutionally incorrect in that belief.

You may of course be correct - but a US citizen does not automatically lose their US citizenship when accepting the citizenship of another country.  Say a country gives away citizenship to anyone who requests it, or who makes a significant investment, or who has an ancestral connection - does accepting and becoming a dual citizen trump the "natural born citizenship" requirement?  That is, does the constitution, or some other law prevent from office a person who is otherwise qualified, solely on the basis that they also hold a nationality/citizenship of another country?
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2010, 08:34:53 AM »

You would be Constitutionally incorrect in that belief.

You may of course be correct - but a US citizen does not automatically lose their US citizenship when accepting the citizenship of another country.  Say a country gives away citizenship to anyone who requests it, or who makes a significant investment, or who has an ancestral connection - does accepting and becoming a dual citizen trump the "natural born citizenship" requirement?  That is, does the constitution, or some other law prevent from office a person who is otherwise qualified, solely on the basis that they also hold a nationality/citizenship of another country?
That isn't the question.  Is Obama or is he not a natural born citizen.  Dual citizenship isn't the issue.
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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2010, 10:02:55 AM »

if he was born in Kenya, as some of his relatives have apparently claimed, he would not be able to be president.

in any other election, the press would have torn into this story.  because it was "the one", they ignored it.  those who went after it were labeled racist.  it was not until later we found it came from the hillary camp!  smiley
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2010, 10:54:01 AM »

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You may of course be correct - but a US citizen does not automatically lose their US citizenship when accepting the citizenship of another country.  Say a country gives away citizenship to anyone who requests it, or who makes a significant investment, or who has an ancestral connection - does accepting and becoming a dual citizen trump the "natural born citizenship" requirement?  That is, does the constitution, or some other law prevent from office a person who is otherwise qualified, solely on the basis that they also hold a nationality/citizenship of another country?
Of course there is still the issue with his Indonesian schooling - where they will NOT accept students with dual citizenship - yet he attended and has not applied for reinstatement of US Citizenship - which would have HAD to have been relinquished at that time.
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 11:36:34 AM »

Perhaps it is time we send in a few Marines to help him pack and send him back to Indonesia, Kenya, or whatever other country that would take him.  Since he bends over backwards to Middle East terrorists, perhaps a nice trip to Afghanistan is in order.  I bet Iran would love to have him visit, too.  He could give away lots of our secrets and weaken our security then.
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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2010, 04:11:36 PM »

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What does 'probably an Uncle Tom' have to do with it?  That's a stupid slur for a black person, because they 'act white'

Just to clarify:

The term "Uncle Tom" is primarily used by blacks as a racial remark to other blacks who "bow down to white people".   The term is in reference to the book by Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin where Uncle Tom was the obedient servant of his white master.  Because Stowe had never been to the south and witnessed slavery the book is complete fiction and primarily used as propaganda by the north to fuel the war effort against the south.  Very, very few people in the south were fighting for or had slaves but were rather fighting for states rights and a smaller federal government.  It is also not worthy to mention that this propaganda is directly responsible for many of the stereo types associated with African Americans today. 

So over a hundred thousand people died fighting for states rights while their enemy lost nearly twice that many fighting over a piece of fiction.

I think we can all agree slavery is wrong......what amazes me is the people who still believe the propaganda and and can't agree we need greater states rights and a smaller federal government.  Sound familiar?  The Federal government using racism and propaganda to squash states rights and gain more power and enslave all of us.
 

   
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 09:00:16 PM »

That isn't the question.  Is Obama or is he not a natural born citizen.  Dual citizenship isn't the issue.

Yes – that is what I thought too, and is the point I was trying to make.  The article, and some members here point to incidents of his travels, supposed requirements of foreign schools, and even what some of his relatives are reported to have said – as if they are evidence of some sort, or bring into question his meeting of the requirement for the office.  None of these are relevant, to my understanding, and all are easily explained and quite common at that.

Traveling on a non-US passport has nothing at all to do with whether a person was natural born in the US (holding multiple passports is common).  Whether a country or school only admitted domestics has nothing to do with whether a person was natural born in the US (schools waive requirements, and in Indonesia – a few dollars goes a long way).  Having relatives say things about you has noting to do with whether a person was natural born in the US (they just might want to claim a closer relationship with our President).

Of course there is still the issue with his Indonesian schooling - where they will NOT accept students with dual citizenship - yet he attended and has not applied for reinstatement of US Citizenship - which would have HAD to have been relinquished at that time.

It is actually very hard for a US Citizen to give up their citizenship – and even if they have done so – they do not need to reapply for it – most particularly if they are natural born.  US courts have backed citizens who later said that they were simply lying at the time about their true intent to relinquish.  My understanding is that only expressing one’s true intent to a consular officer (if you later say that you had lied to the consular office – you retain it); serving in a foreign military against the US, or holding a high office of a foreign country will cause you to lose your US citizenship.  Hence - having attended a school that would not accept dual citizens (if indeed that was the case) seems moot to me.
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2010, 10:17:55 PM »

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Having relatives say things about you has noting to do with whether a person was natural born in the US (they just might want to claim a closer relationship with our President).

all very true, but easily cleared up by producing a BC.  there are any number of jobs that i could not get without one.  i had to send for a certified copy a few years ago.  it cost a few dollars, but came quickly and was pretty easy to get.  there is no good reason not to produce one.  private info could be redacted.

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there is another problem with the certificate of live birth.  the registration number is redacted. i can not think of a good (legal)  reason for doing that.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 10:38:38 PM »

... easily cleared up by producing a BC.  there are any number of jobs that i could not get without one.  ...  the registration number is redacted. i can not think of a good (legal)  reason for doing that. 

I agree that many government jobs cannot be had without a BC - and needed to produce a BC myself some years ago.  What I did not need to do is make it available to the public.  And BCs do not actually exist for many people, and in some cases just cannot be found.  It would be good to understand just exactly what the case is since this has gotten so much attention.

If I were releasing a BC or a Cert of Live Birth - I might redact the registration number - since it could be used to obtain additional information such as which office issued it, who's Certs preceded or followed, who worked that day, etc., etc.  There may also be on-line systems that use the Cert# as a key to further information.  Of course I am guessing here.
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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 11:10:45 PM »

I started following this post just recently - interesting, because of its occasional blurb in the news and with Obama's Campaign against FOX NEWS, chances of hearing anything elsewhere is slim to none.

My thoughts isn't where he was born, but his abilities to get things (anything) done - so far he is worse than any lame duck President I have ever seen.

The sickening thing about health care reform, it won't take place for 4 years after passed, meaning his re-election and an additional congressional run for the Dems will come and go before a dollar is spent on reform - what is to happen to that nearly $900 billion all those years, earn .10% interest in a money market?

If the Dems are soooo worried about health care for the poor, then do it now, not use it as a political toy to toss to the needy cats, which they claim 35 million people are without healthcare, well the proposed plan only effects 10 million, leaving 25 million at least as bad off as they are now. But then do the math, $900 billion into 10 million people - I'll let you move the zeros around and once you clean your underwear we'll finish THAT conversation.

He is a useless President so far, unable to take a Congress with majority vote in his corner and do magical "CHANGE" as he spouted at every whistle stop. I can't imagine the personality charisma he must have face to face, it has to be wizarous because he has surely buffaloed millions in his 2 year campaign, something he started only 140 or so days as a junior senator. He has little legislative experience and no executive experience, and you can use the Uncle Tom slur of you wish, I will not - but surely he is a token of the Entertainment Generation, just another Tiger Woods, somehow White PEople are easily impressed, if not spell-bound when they see a black man who speaks well and has a smile to match. That isn't anything agianst him, it is a gift - it is though a shot at anyone who bought the theory that a black man is anything better than a man of any color, especially in these hard times.

I don't think he is any kind of answer to International issues, most countries have snubbed him with high ranking officials refusing to even shake his hand, that is an insult I have never witnessed before, but check videos on Youtube showing many of his jaunts and see for yourself, he extends his hand and the governing parties pull theirs away in show that they disapprove - the most we videotaped, Russia's leadership.

Do I blame any of this on the Dems and Libs, no!!!! Let's look at what the Republicans have brought to the plate and then see who the caucuses tossed out long before most of us could vote. Yes, we need a national primary day, not weed out the players mainly because of funds and worse of all the airtime given in debates to the two nominees that the media think have the best chance to go on.

I end with a question that is bugging me, totally off topic - why DeKnow are you harping on KathyP? If you don't see it that way, I suggest you reread your posts, they sound a bit abusive to me, please remember the rules on personal attacks. Feel free to argue any issue, but keep your opinions about members to yourself, please.

So, 3 more years at least of a do nothing government, meanwhile I noticed the numbers of DOW, NASDAQ and S&P go up in 2009 from about 17% to 25% which sounds like a recovery starting to me. But how many more things will we bail out or offer rebates for to temporarily spring-board the economy? We have a long time before we even break even in our savings, if indeed we do. As it is the only reason China doesn't call their chit is because the leading buyer of their exports is the USA, if they bankrupted the United States, they would split their own throats.

Just some things to ponder.
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 11:38:13 PM »

darn it.  did i get harped on a miss it??   evil
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