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« on: December 15, 2009, 11:14:46 PM » |
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Just looked in one of the hives we have and it was very full, i noticed that there was brood in the top super (there are 2 supers), not sure how that happened. I remember in the early spring i removed a few frames form the brood and replaced them with foundation to prevent swarming i am wondering if a queen was moved with those frames though i remember making sure no bees were on the frames i moved to the super. What should i do???
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 11:24:42 PM » |
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are you talking about brood in a honey super, or brood in a second box below the honey supers?
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 11:39:09 PM » |
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the bottom box - is the brood box where the queen resides, it has an exculder on top and i have 2 supers on top of that, the top super is where i have found the young bees
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 11:46:40 PM » |
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well not young bees but larva
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 11:47:21 PM » |
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by young bees, you mean brood?
is there brood in the bottom also?
a couple of things could have happened.
the queen might be small enough to go through.
if you moved frames, did you put them above the excluder? if so, and there were eggs on that frame, they may have made another queen.
if you have two queens, you can make a split and have another hive. if the queen is moving up and laying, you might as well take out that excluder. all it will do is trap drones.
you can take out the excluder and just let them do what they want to do. a two queen hive is not a bad thing.
you can put the excluder above and put honey supers on top.
whatever has happened, it doesn't sound like the end of the world. you just have to figure it out and decide how you want to handle it.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 12:02:22 AM » |
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sorry for the confusion, yes brood
never got to the bottom box as the wind picked up and the bees were getting stressed, will try again tomorrow
there is an excluder on top of the brood box (bottom box)
if there was any queen eggs on the frames when i moved them i didn't see them as i remember checking, but it's possible that happened
so, i will check if there is a queen in the bottom box and take it from there, i imagine there is so i will be able to split the hive, as there are 2 honey supers now with a queen can i move them to a single brood box and empty all the bees and hopefully queen into this new box?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 01:04:08 AM » |
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the easiest thing to do would be to take the whole box. i don't know if you are using all the same size boxes, but even if you are not, i would just pick up the box and make a new start.
let us know what you find.
if you are unsure, you do not need a queen excluder. many of us do not use them.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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