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« on: December 15, 2009, 09:04:27 AM »

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121426071

Do people really fall for this...ermm...stuff??  Now I understand this is NPR and expected, but how can anybody even begin to regard this as objective reporting?  Can't they see this is a part of the reason we're so skeptical? (I mean other than the truth Smiley )

They feeding this to robots?  As I listened to the story on my way home from work, I kept waiting for the kicker.  So global warming is causing these floods, right?  A catastrophic glacial collapse perhaps?  I figured that there was a connection to global warming on this story, because that is what the story was about.  The whole story -blaming all this on global warming, the human suffering, this never happened before, it must be caused by global warming, that evil gas in our atmosphere.

Then the story started wrapping up to the end....

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The demand for coca, for example, has led trafficking groups to clear forested areas in Colombia, thus setting the stage for erosion that makes flooding more likely and severe.


So I listened to the whole stinking program wondering how global warming, and they tell me it is because a bunch of drug lords killing the jungle?  That is DEFORESTATION BECAUSE OF DRUG CONSUMPTION NOT GLOBAL WARMING!!  I don't know if these people have IQ of a fig, but any idiot can tell that those are different issues.  Whackos sniffing lines compared to a temperature change.

Sheesh.  I don't know when they'll stop.

I just saw a tree move in the wind.  <gasp> We know that groups of monkeys can make trees move like that SO WATCH OUT, WE'RE FACING GROUPS OF RAVAGING MONKEYS!!
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:20:49 AM »

Yes, they do fall for that bunk and even believe it's the gospel truth if they hear it on the news or read it in the rags at the local supermarket. Look at the Obama campaign! We elected a community organizer who has never run ANYTHING in his life and has no clue what a budget is; all because of fancy rhetoric about change in Washington and a Ga-Ga news media who still believe he's the Second Coming of Christ. Now, our great grandchildren will be paying off the debt he's creating and there's no end in sight to his spending binge. Ditto the idiots in the House and Senate. And if you participate in a tea party gathering you are labeled a misfit, violent, redneck protester! If I were a prudent man, I'd learn to speak Chinese in preparation for the day China calls in the markers they hold with "US Treasury" printed on them, and there's no more backup credit to pay them off.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:20:49 AM »

>>>>WE'RE FACING GROUPS OF RAVAGING MONKEYS!!<<<<

Ironically, that is why the story made npr. We aren't facing them, we are being led nationally by them!
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 11:22:33 AM »

Hitler once said: "The more you repeat a lie, the more believable it becomes".  It looks like the NPR have subscribed to this theory so that would make them the... evil
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 12:04:13 PM »

Americans in general have short memories  rolleyes The Deforestation in South American countires was due to the increases in farming, lumber demand and also cattle ranches grew at an alarming rate during the 80's. Someone kick Al Gore's buttocks for me.  evil
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 12:31:14 PM »

i don't know if you guys caught this

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138

my husband was commenting on the europeans having jumped on these emails and the global warming hoax thing.  i think it's because they have been feeling the effects of the last global warming agreements that they signed on to, and tried to implement.  they have not been able to meet the goals and have raised taxes and made new regulations and laws that are driving people nuts.

they have garbage police!  don't laugh.  they do the same in places here.  so far, only businesses, but if they put the recycling in the wrong bin, they can get a fine.  in england, they check the home bins and have been trying to figure out how to put a sensor on the bin or product so people can be alerted to putting the wrong thing in the wrong bin.  the new cool way to get even with a neighbor, is to report on his trash!  better yet, put something in his bin that doesn't belong there and then report him.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 01:37:55 PM »

There are no limits to human stupidity.  People just don't think about things sometimes before they choose a side.  For example:

What group of people stand to profit from perpetrating the fraud that destructive climate change is caused by human activity?  In what way do they stand to gain, and how much money are we talking about.  What are the benefits/consequences if they are wrong but prevail anyway?

Conversely

Who stands to profit from perpetrating the idea that there is no human cause to global climate change, or that there isn't even any change happening?  How much money would those people stand to profit if they prevail? What are the benefits/consequences if they are wrong but prevail anyway?

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 01:50:54 PM »

                I just did a calculation in study for my chem final. - the net result was that burning gasoline at 32MPG for 1000 miles reacts into around 580 pounds of CO2 (32MPG? - where do I get a $ saver like that?)  CO2 is a greenhouse gas (I don't think anyone is arguing that); and 500# of anything is a lot. Greenhouse gases also prevent the Earth from radiating all of it's heat into space (this is good).
             I'm not immature and silly enough to think 'OMG I have to PANIC immediately.' but 500# is a LOT of CO2.
             My take on it is this: we're going to be needing a lot of carbon soon (just carbon - it's looking like the holy grail of electronics design). So how long will it be before some very clever chemist finds a way to harvest the carbon from the atmosphere and release the 'useless' oxygen?
but I'm sure if the 'wrong' chemist solves the 'problem' there will be a problem with releasing too much oxygen into the atmosphere - or taking away too much CO2.
Bottom line IMO: politicizing scientists and the studies is a stupid ugly ignorant ridiculous brain damaged thing to do.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 05:44:07 PM »

That would be 31.25 gallons of gas at 6.42 lbs at its densest. Calculates to 200.625 lbs of liquid carbon. Now 500 lbs of carbon emmissions might be stretching it.If we were to burn a pound of carbon and get almost two out of it,we would be energy efficient by harvesting the byproducts of combustion. I think the calculation is wrong You have not gained any oxygen or carbon,just converted it.And the heat given offf was transformed into a useable energy.
And did you calculate what percentage was broken down by the catalytic convertor to h2o which converts some of the co back to h20?
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 05:47:38 PM »

To add to buzzbee, I thought there was more co released than co2 when burning gas. They have always talked about the carbon monoxide before...Now it is carbon dioxide... I don't think they can make up their mind.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 06:19:17 PM »

To add to buzzbee, I thought there was more co released than co2 when burning gas. They have always talked about the carbon monoxide before...Now it is carbon dioxide... I don't think they can make up their mind.

Modern vehicles make very little carbon monoxide - committing suicide by sitting in your car in a closed garrage probably wouldn't work in a new car unless there was something wrong with it.  Don't try it though. 

Anyway, it doesn't matter because carbon monoxide oxidizes very easily and it ends up being carbon dioxide pretty soon any way.  That's why it can kill you - it grabs all of the oxygen out of your system.  Also why they use it in packaged meat - it absorbs all of the oxygen and gives it that too red to be real color.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 06:45:26 PM »

Anyway, it doesn't matter because carbon monoxide oxidizes very easily and it ends up being carbon dioxide pretty soon any way.  That's why it can kill you - it grabs all of the oxygen out of your system. 

That's not exactly accurate. When a person inhales carbon monoxide, it combines with the red blood cells that normally carry oxygen to the body's tissues and replaces the oxygen that is normally carried in the blood. As a result, less oxygen is carried to the brain and other body tissues
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 07:54:45 PM »

Anyway, it doesn't matter because carbon monoxide oxidizes very easily and it ends up being carbon dioxide pretty soon any way.  That's why it can kill you - it grabs all of the oxygen out of your system. 

That's not exactly accurate. When a person inhales carbon monoxide, it combines with the red blood cells that normally carry oxygen to the body's tissues and replaces the oxygen that is normally carried in the blood. As a result, less oxygen is carried to the brain and other body tissues

I think you're right - displaces, not grabs.  Long time since high school chemistry.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 08:14:38 PM »

I think you're right - displaces, not grabs.  Long time since high school chemistry.

Same here. Just less time since Paramedic training...
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:38 PM »

580 Lbs wasn't the weight of the carbon alone - it was the weight including 2 oxygen atoms as well (from the air y'know - for combustion): 2 C8H18 + 25 O2 ---> 18 H2O + 16 CO2 (you can't turn carbon magically into hydrogen - maybe with a particle accelerator but that's a different discussion)
the reaction was as given without mitigating factors like scrubbers or such - the point I was making is that it's just stupid stupid to politicize science - no matter who does it.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 10:39:12 PM »

In my opinion, you would have to be stupid to become a politician, so I agree with your basic point.
They are all stupid.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 10:57:14 PM »

interesting site

http://solarcycle24.com/
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »

In my opinion, you would have to be stupid to become a politician, so I agree with your basic point.
They are all stupid.

Or a modern-day journalist? rolleyes

Are they stupid, or are they insidious?  I've read some pretty scary stuff about that COP15 treaty.  Global governance, global tax, global regulation, global socialism, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 07:37:09 AM »

interesting site

http://solarcycle24.com/
Yes, it is, thank you for finding it, Kathy.  The solar cycles have a huge effect on our weather, and that is something no one has spent lots of time on, we're all so human-centric we're overlooking a huge factor in what causes 'climate change'.  Global warming is affecting Mars, did you know that?  All that human activity has extended across the solar system......yea, right.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 08:41:17 AM »

What they are going to start studying next is how our production of carbon dioxide, our magnetics due to energy use, and satellites affects and modifies the cycles of the sun.
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