Need Bees Removed?
International
Beekeeping Forums
December 28, 2014, 01:05:29 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: 24/7 Ventrilo Voice chat -click for instructions and free software here
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar bee removal Login Register Chat  

Pages: 1 2 3 [4]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: 1st year Beek, 1st cutout this weekend....  (Read 11100 times)
Meadlover
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 216

Location: Gold Coast Hinterland, QLD, Australia


« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2009, 06:49:15 AM »


We need a photo of the vacuum.


OK here's a photo of the vacuum.
I think the mesh probably doesn't have enough surface area of holes, therefore probably excessive force was on the bees.
I think I really need to find a supplier in Brisbane of "hardware cloth".

ML




Logged
Meadlover
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 216

Location: Gold Coast Hinterland, QLD, Australia


« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2009, 06:55:31 AM »

As soon as I got home this arvo I fired up the smoker and inspected the cutout hive.
Unfortunately there was quite a lot of SHB larvae in there - I removed the bottom board and hosed the larvae into a bucket. I also removed as much as possible of the beetle and larvae (took out a frame of mostly drawn comb, and a frame of infected brood) but I fear that the hive may have got to a point where they are doomed - but I will persist for as long as possible.

 Cry

Haven't heard back from the couple that just had a hive setup in their wall either. Guess I'll wait for the next swarm/trapout/cutout call...........

ML

Logged
SlickMick
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 590


Location: Brisbane, Australia


« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2009, 07:03:01 AM »

That's bad luck about the SHB Mat, you must have a swag of it down there.

You probably need to go into the hive daily to flush out what beetle and larva you find.. get the honey frames into the freezer for a day or so. You may have to shake bees off individual frames and then hose out the larva into water and detergent

Hope you save the hive but its looking pretty grim. Are the larva into the brood frames too? Keep an eye on that nuc too

If there is anything I can help out with let me know

Mick
Logged

On the outer Barcoo where the churches are few,
   And men of religion are scanty,
On a road never cross'd 'cept by folk that are lost,
   One Michael Magee had a shanty.

Now this Mike was the dad of a ten-year-old lad,
   Plump, healthy, and stoutly conditioned;
He was strong as the best, but poor Mike had no rest
   For the youngster had never been christened,
A BUSH CHRISTENING - A.B. "Banjo" Paterson http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/patersonab/poetry/christen.html
Meadlover
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 216

Location: Gold Coast Hinterland, QLD, Australia


« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2009, 07:14:31 AM »

Yeah the Larvae are into the brood frames  angry I think there's not enough bees, no queen, and too many SHB.
I removed EVERY SHB that I found, and as many of the larvae that I could see.
It has been a learning experience at least, to see how quickly, and how the SHB move through the hive.

I think I will be going to a full mesh base on my hives as the SHB traps in there at the moment could work alot better. Gotta find somewhere to get "hardware cloth" now though.
Another project goes onto the list.

ML
Logged
Lone
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 1080


Location: North Queensland


« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2009, 07:27:43 AM »

Ain't that nice of Slicko, hey, throwing you in it and not going out to help?  Smiley  ML, maybe next time, take the hive home with you the night of the cutout.  Don't cry, though, I'm sure bees are a dime a dozen in brizzy.  Why don't you chuck those bees and salvagable brood in with your other hive?  There will be more bees to protect the brood from the beetles. I'm using honey from a couple of cutouts now to feed back to them.  What is hardware cloth, and what is it for?

Hey and don't forget Slicko offered to help with anything - I'd put him on a couple of your projects.  hehehe

Lone
Logged
Meadlover
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 216

Location: Gold Coast Hinterland, QLD, Australia


« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2009, 08:31:38 PM »

What is hardware cloth, and what is it for?

Lone

Lone,

hardware cloth is basically heavy duty flywire, but you can get it in other sizes and materials - Brass, Stainless Steel, Galvanised etc.
I found someone near me http://www.metalmesh.com.au/cfm/index.cfm?newLocation=cfm/home.cfm that has a Stainless Steel mesh with a 3.3mm aperture for $81/m +GST. I know this sounds expensive but it comes from a 1220mm roll so 550mm will give me 3 sheets that will fit 3 x 10 frame hives, which works out at $49 for 3 pieces, so $16 a pop.
I'm planning to use it in my next beevac, plus also to make a bottom trap for SHB as the holes are big enough to let the SHB fall through into a tray of cooking oil underneath - like this design http://www.greenbeehives.com/
So far that is the best looking trap I have seen, in theory. Would be interested to get feedback from those that use that type and their pros and cons. Need to do a bit more searching this arvo I think.

ML
Logged
D Coates
Queen Bee
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1074


Location: Lee's Summit, MO


« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2009, 10:27:37 AM »

Unfortunately by the time the larva are dropping through the bottom the damage is done.  I'd focus more on trapping the adults and keeping hive streingth up.  I've learned quite a bit from your post, thanks for sharing.
Logged

Ninja, is not in the dictionary.  Well played Ninja's, well played...
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6310

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2009, 06:48:58 PM »

Why use a bee vac??


This photo is:



The same place as this photo.



Would you want to do it without a vac to remove a few bees first?



.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
kathyp
Universal Bee
*******
Online Online

Gender: Female
Posts: 15340


Location: boring, oregon


« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2009, 06:56:06 PM »

i probably would, but then, i wouldn't have all that exposed skin out there!   evil

that's pretty new comb. did you just skip it and hive them like a swarm?
Logged

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6310

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2009, 07:09:54 PM »

Yes, I just laid it on the frames until The bees had all found the queen, then disposed of it. It didn't have enough body to be manipulated. It would crush itself under it's own weight just laying in your hand.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
JP
The Swarm King
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 11687


Location: Metairie, Louisiana

I like doing cut-outs, but I love catching swarms!


WWW
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2009, 08:44:37 PM »

Meadlover, put this in the back of your head if you're ever in this situation again. If you set up a new cut out colony and are inundated with shb, check them for a queen. If you still have one, 86 all comb or freeze it for later & set the bees up on fresh foundation or drawn comb. Its best if you remove all shbs & begin again as though they were a swarm. Without brood, a queen, feed & enough bees to tend to matters, you can reverse things and save that colony, but you must have enough bees and a queen to give it a go.

Welcome to the wonderful world of bee removal!


...JP
Logged

"Good friends are as sweet as honey" Winne the Pooh

My pictures can be viewed at http://picasaweb.google.com/pyxicephalus
and
http://picasaweb.google.com/112138792165178452970

My Youtube videos can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=JPthebeeman&aq=f

My website JPthebeeman.com http://www.jpthebeeman.com/jpthebeeman/
Grandma_DOG
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 329


Location: Austin, TX

Build it, and they will comb.


WWW
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2009, 03:51:22 PM »

That's pretty drastic, JP. What if you have several frames of brood from a cutout? If I freeze this, I'm losing many beemonths of effort to raise that brood. WOuldn't it be better to swap the frames in a strong colony and take good colony frames and put them in the cutout hive?

Meadlover, put this in the back of your head if you're ever in this situation again. If you set up a new cut out colony and are inundated with shb, check them for a queen. If you still have one, 86 all comb or freeze it for later & set the bees up on fresh foundation or drawn comb. Its best if you remove all shbs & begin again as though they were a swarm. Without brood, a queen, feed & enough bees to tend to matters, you can reverse things and save that colony, but you must have enough bees and a queen to give it a go.

Welcome to the wonderful world of bee removal!


...JP
Logged

JP
The Swarm King
Universal Bee
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 11687


Location: Metairie, Louisiana

I like doing cut-outs, but I love catching swarms!


WWW
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2009, 07:03:07 PM »

That's pretty drastic, JP. What if you have several frames of brood from a cutout? If I freeze this, I'm losing many beemonths of effort to raise that brood. Wouldn't it be better to swap the frames in a strong colony and take good colony frames and put them in the cutout hive?

Once shb show up in a weak hive they work with extreme fervor. The end result occurs within a day & 1/2 time frame. If something drastic isn't done, you lose the colony.


...JP
Logged

"Good friends are as sweet as honey" Winne the Pooh

My pictures can be viewed at http://picasaweb.google.com/pyxicephalus
and
http://picasaweb.google.com/112138792165178452970

My Youtube videos can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=JPthebeeman&aq=f

My website JPthebeeman.com http://www.jpthebeeman.com/jpthebeeman/
Meadlover
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 216

Location: Gold Coast Hinterland, QLD, Australia


« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2009, 04:55:12 PM »

Meadlover, put this in the back of your head if you're ever in this situation again. If you set up a new cut out colony and are inundated with shb, check them for a queen. If you still have one, 86 all comb or freeze it for later & set the bees up on fresh foundation or drawn comb. Its best if you remove all shbs & begin again as though they were a swarm. Without brood, a queen, feed & enough bees to tend to matters, you can reverse things and save that colony, but you must have enough bees and a queen to give it a go.

Welcome to the wonderful world of bee removal!


...JP
If I had the queen in there I think that your suggestion would have been the best approach. By trying to save a few too many brood frames I have lost the entire brood to SHB and probably all the bees too.

And thanks for the welcome JP, I'm looking forward to my next removal smiley

ML
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Beemaster's Beekeeping Ring
Previous | Home | Join | Random | Next
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.395 seconds with 22 queries.

Google visited last this page December 27, 2014, 09:37:01 AM