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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2009, 11:44:16 PM »

they buried the evidence. This is a prime example of sociopathy in leadership: they knew that asbestos exposure for even a few years was a guaranteed kill. (also the kind of reckless management that earned the 'evil corporation' label.)


That's funny ironic, because it led to other kinds of abuse: thousands of people lodging bogus complaints because of asbestos for millions of dollars AGAINST the corporations!  [etc.]



Asbestosis and mesothelioma are real medical conditions; the latter being a form of malignant cancer. They have only one known cause - the mineral asbestos. I agree that it takes a person who lacks a conscience to order the destruction or concealment of evidence that they continued to allow personnel to be exposed to their hazardous product; bogus complaints are lodged by people who think they found a gravy train to ride, (A good lung image culls them pretty easily) real asbestos victims exist. (I say victims because it was, after all, someone's conscious decision not to advise them of the danger it presented). I have absolutely no pity for the consequences a real person or corporate entity has to endure for the willful endangerment of other human beings without appropriate safety precautions or informed consent - no pity at all.
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2009, 07:31:46 AM »

Corporations need something to limit them as well as in government.
Truer words...
But instead, the opposite has been done, Corporations have "Rights" above and beyond those of the individuals that make them up.

Maybe I didn't read everything, but it does make sense that a collection of people trumps a single person (within reason), that is what our government is built on. 
Looks like the "part you missed" was just the Constitution itself that holds differently. It is the rights of the individual that is protected from the might of the larger group.
Now, Vibe, why are you trotting out that old, dirty piece of paper?  Who cares anymore?  It's all about money, has nothing to do with The Constitution.  rolleyes
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2009, 12:51:43 PM »


Looks like the "part you missed" was just the Constitution itself that holds differently. It is the rights of the individual that is protected from the might of the larger group.

Did I?  I voted against the tax increase, the millage, etc, but I still have to pay it.  I voted against our fine new president, but will still suffer the consequences of the larger group voting for him.

That there constitution wouldn't help me at the board meeting when I try to explain why I'm not paying my increased taxes... shocked
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2009, 03:30:56 PM »

Hi everyone who has commented on corporations:  I guess I am one, and only time will tell if i ever get the opportunity to "lord it over anyone", much less do so.

     Here is my story; Remember when Warren Buffett gave Bill Gates a billion to "improve the world"?  I immediately contacted the Gates foundation and explained that I had stumbled on a solution to the century old problem which prevented the liquefaction and later evaporation of ordinary air as a portable source of energy.  The reply I received was that they only gave money to not-for-profit corporations for  promotion of the public good.

     Fair enough, I thought, and set about incorporating.  The State was easy and quick, but the Feds drug their feet for most of two years before deciding that I was both worthy and qualified.  By the time I tried to reapply to the Gates foundation, I discovered that they had no applicable category which applied to our project, and that the only remaining cause they were funding was programs to quit smoking.  In the meantime, all the other funding sources had categorized their requests and had of course never heard of cryogenic energy storage, and had no desire to.  I even tried Al Gore, but he seemed to miss the point and regularly sends me letters requesting money.

     My current plan is to scrape up enough funds to build a prototype,and am writing a book on the advantages of this way of doing things.  Hopefully I could use it as a key to get on talk shows and attract either funding or a partner.

     The State of Indiana had a program to fund start-up businesses, but required a "complete thermodynamic analysis" as a prerequisite to getting funding for such things as "complete thermodynamic analysis"  This frightened the universities I contacted, and as they had no existing departments of cryogenic energy storage, they apparently passed the request around until it was forgotten about.

     By the time I had collected what I considered sufficient "proof of concept", the program got phased out, and passed over to the various branches of the SBA which won't deal with "not for profit entities".

     There should be an occasional progress report on the DARLAP website if anyone is curious.

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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2009, 04:56:16 PM »

I think that my point is that corporations and (at least our) government are really similar things.  Entities consisting of people created to serve a bunch of people.  Somewhat different purposes, but both exist to provide benefits.  Both can be and are abused.  Both need checks and balances.  Corporations have been and are out of control in some cases, and it sure seems like the government has been and is spiralling out of control as well.  I could but won't bother giving any examples like the EPA... rolleyes
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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2009, 08:30:07 PM »

this is becoming like a conversation about firearms - it depends solely on whose hands they're in.
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2009, 03:19:11 PM »

this is becoming like a conversation about firearms - it depends solely on whose hands they're in.

It's more about a lack or morality.  When a corporation puts profit above all other considerations, whether at the direction of their stock holders or by management or both, morality has been vanquished.  The same goes for government, when self-interest (staying in office or social programs like Social Seccurity) trumps public good, then morality goes by the way side. 
It is not unconstitutional to teach religion in our schools, it is unconstitutional for religion and government to join together to as an overseer of the public.  Unfortunately the courts have decided to ignore the writings of our founding fathers on this subject and had decided that government, at any level, can't even mention the word religion.  Without some form of morality, which religion provides, taught in our schools our nation is quickly becoming a land of inmorality, as without morality to form self-restraint, there is no consciense, collective or otherwise, to answer to.

Both Corporations and Governments have gotten into the mentality that they are a better purveyor of the public welfare than the individual, the corporations through economic factors, such as stock dividends, products, and employment; while the government approaches it through socialistic programs for the benefit of all at the expense of the individual's rights.  As such we see both joining in lock step to suppress the people's will in order to better provide their concepts of public good.
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