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« on: November 03, 2009, 12:20:20 PM »

Ok, this seems a little (a little??!!) extreme, but ASSUMING that the allegations were correct, and they got the right man, doesn't this seems more than fair?  I would have come up with something a little more creative, except for that pesky Constitution "cruel and unusual" phrase....


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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 12:34:07 PM »

If he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then the punishment is just, however the public display is over the top.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 12:38:45 PM »

i don't have a problem with it if he had a fair trial.  our laws only prohibit cruel and unusual punishment.  beheading is not cruel.  it's pretty quick if the person doing the execution is experienced, and it's certainly not unusual.  we have had plenty of examples around the world.  i don't have a problem with the public display.  it's meant as a warning to others.

would we be able to do it here?  no. 

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 01:14:55 PM »

Yep, if it was a fair trial it's a better fate than what I'd like to put him through

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 01:21:01 PM »

 That is one problem we have here. We have removed the stigma of being outside the accepted standards of society.
 We protect the rights of the criminal to the point that we alow criminals to sue their victims if they fight back.
 We alow far more dangerous people than pedophiles to run out streets after they get out of jail with no supervision or tracking allowed.
 As we began shielding kids from the pain of public humilition for their crimes and decisions we gave them tacit permission to continue their course down life's path.
 Nothing, and I mean nothing, affects a childs actions more than peer pressure. When we hide who did what that is removed.
  Even teen pregnancies went up when we stopped the attitude of holding the GIRL responsible for her decision.
  Out of a misguided fear that we might "Hurt their self esteem" we alow them to distroy their lives and the lives of others.

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 06:32:56 PM »

In addition to Wayne's comments I'll add that we've decided that "it isn't his fault".  He must have been abused as a child himself and acted out against children because of it and therefore can't be held accountable for his actions since it isn't his fault that he was abused as a child...
Perhaps it's just my abusive upbringing where I was forced from a young age to emasculate live cattle, but I say hack-em off before you hang him up!

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 08:22:52 PM »

I have absolutely no problem with the punishment or the public display. In the U.S. we would probably place most of the blame on the kids for just being available, and let the rapist off with 2 years of supervised probation.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 09:37:11 PM »

I can think of worse ways to die than beheading, and from the article – there may be few worse crimes that are worthy of it.  If he did the crime – it seems to me that he is getting off light.

As for the public display - I suppose I would feel sorry for the family, not the perp.


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