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Obama in the British Media
Here is an interesting editorial from Someone outside our country as to what is going on!
If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people - not even Jimmy Carter.
Obama's problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens. He has never abandoned the campaign trail.
That is why he opened Pandora's Box by publishing the Justice Department's legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda..
"Don't be discouraged by what's happened the last few weeks," he told intelligence officers. Is he kidding? Thanks to him, al-Qaeda knows the private interrogation techniques available to the US intelligence agencies and can train its operatives to withstand them - or would do so, if they had not already been outlawed.
So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb.. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers...
President Pantywaist's recent world tour, cozying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America's enemies. Here, they realised, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners.
His only enemies are fellow Americans.
Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 09:10:25 PM » |
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If only the Democrats could see this as easily as those from other countries!!! 
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 07:41:14 AM » |
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I've only just seen this post. What "British Media" source is this? Normally one should quote one's source. The text appears to have been written by an American.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 10:41:17 AM » |
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I've only just seen this post. What "British Media" source is this? Normally one should quote one's source. The text appears to have been written by an American.
For some reason I thought that one could access google from France. A quick cut/paste of a snippet of the quote and, voila! (like how I worked a french word in there?).  Article written by Gerald Warner. From his wiki page (I normally wouldn't quote wiki as a source, but in this case I think it's probably authoritarian enough): Gerald Warner of Craigenmaddie (born 1945) is Scottish newspaper columnist, author, broadcaster, commentator, and former policy adviser to a British cabinet minister.[1] His daily blog on The Daily Telegraph newspaper website generates strong reactions, from both admirers and fierce critics.[2]
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 10:53:01 AM » |
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sources are good. i read quite a bit of foreign press. the bloom is coming off the rose in europe. "the one" is not turning out to be such a savior after all  i'm guessing that it's because no one has a clue what he stands for or where he stands on issues. that's got to be as frustrating for our allies as it is for us. every time he says something his gang has to come out the next day and tell us what he really meant. makes you wonder who's running things?
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 11:42:07 AM » |
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Thank you John Lee Pettimore. However, I hardly think a blog on wiki by a ranting right wing extremist counts as “The British Media”. Even a scurrilous rag like the Telegraph only publishes him in the form of an Internet Blog. I think Kathyp should be more careful in her choice of overseas media. None of the papers I have read, be they French or British, would support her opinion of your President. Perhaps having an articulate, educated man as President is difficult after so many dark years.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 11:52:48 AM » |
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Perhaps having an articulate, educated man as President is difficult after so many dark years. now that's funny! do let me know when we get one of those  right now, we have the messiah. he's on TV right now telling us how he's going to fix decades of neglect by every other administration. i am so excited!! it's like the second coming!
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 12:44:09 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 02:12:08 PM » |
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Thank you John Lee Pettimore. However, I hardly think a blog on wiki by a ranting right wing extremist counts as “The British Media”.
You are free to think anything you want. There are people who think the world is flat.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 11:29:36 PM » |
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What? Have I been asleep? When did we get an articulate, educated president? Call me Alice 'cause this must be Wonderland.... 
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 11:33:02 PM » |
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Thank you John Lee Pettimore. However, I hardly think a blog on wiki by a ranting right wing extremist counts as “The British Media”. Even a scurrilous rag like the Telegraph only publishes him in the form of an Internet Blog. I think Kathyp should be more careful in her choice of overseas media. None of the papers I have read, be they French or British, would support her opinion of your President. Perhaps having an articulate, educated man as President is difficult after so many dark years.
Since you apparently think he is so great, do us a favor and take him. Think of it as an early Christmas present. We'll even throw in enough Congressmen to make a complete set of morons. Just one thing, there are no returns...
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 11:36:03 PM » |
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Since you apparently think he is so great, do us a favor and take him. Think of it as an early Christmas present. We'll even throw in enough Congressmen to make a complete set of morons. Just one thing, there are no returns...
France couldn't handle it. They're already too far gone.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 12:48:51 AM » |
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Hello any body home Bil this is real life !  Are you just trying make me laugh 
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 08:32:12 AM » |
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Hello any body home Bil this is real life !  Are you just trying make me laugh  Thank you. I hadn't considered that Bil was being sarcastic in an attempt to be funny. I was stereotyping. Sorry, Bil. Well played.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 09:28:26 AM » |
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Hello, I won't talk about your president, because I know nothing about him. But I have heard of the british tabloids! When I was in england for a short time, my sister in law informed me that many people go to the news agency and read the papers without buying them. So as to try out this unique cultural experience, I went for a walk and found a news agency. The first tabloid I glanced at had big headlines along the lines of "I ate my brother". I decided the experience should end there, and I went to hear some british folk music instead.
Remember that Bil is a lot closer to britain than any of us!
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2009, 09:41:01 AM » |
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I went to hear some british folk music instead. Be thankful you didn't decide to sample the local cuisine, LOL. Remember that Bil is a lot closer to britain than any of us! I have French ancestors on my father's side. They came to the US in 1794. You know, back before all the surrendering started...
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i like the Sun  i am lucky when it comes to stuff i hear from GB. my sister has lived there for 10 years. when i have questions about what they say, i can ask her or the family. for other press, it takes some work, but one can evaluate press with a little research. this article may express a minority european view, but not as minority as it used to be. lets face it, if the eurpeans are beginning to realize that socialism is unsustainable, they must think we are pretty nuts not to have learned from observation. obama has said the right things, and his color seems to make europeans think that america has come out of the dark ages. he's a feel good president for them, as carter and clinton were. never mind the disaster that comes from actual policy. remember, also, that europeans are far more used to heavy centralized government. the idea of personal responsibility, especially when that means suffering, if foreign to them. they are used to the government fixing things. to them, obama sounds very much like their own leaders. even their more conservative leaders. social welfare programs of one kind or another, are the number one issue in most of their elections.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2009, 12:40:36 PM » |
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Where has Bil gone 
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2009, 12:47:53 PM » |
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Where has Bil gone  Oslo, or perhaps Copenhagen? 
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2009, 03:06:46 PM » |
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Thank you John Lee Pettimore. However, I hardly think a blog on wiki by a ranting right wing extremist counts as “The British Media”. Even a scurrilous rag like the Telegraph only publishes him in the form of an Internet Blog. I think Kathyp should be more careful in her choice of overseas media. None of the papers I have read, be they French or British, would support her opinion of your President. Perhaps having an articulate, educated man as President is difficult after so many dark years.
I'm sorry I don't have a link, but this new guy is only articulate as long as the teleprompter is functioning properly. there's plenty of videos on you tube of his dictional meltdowns when the words aren't spoonfed to him.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2009, 01:27:53 PM » |
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Where has Bil gone  He must have gotten sick and is standing in line to see a french dr. Keith
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2009, 01:44:40 PM » |
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He must have gotten sick and is standing in line to see a french dr. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2009, 09:34:01 AM » |
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This one is for you Bil
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
If George W.. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?
If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims through out the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had created the position 32 or more Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had spent more than all the Presidents combined since George Washington, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 10 months -- so you'll have 3 years and 2 months to come up with an answer.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2009, 10:08:51 AM » |
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This one is for you Bil
If George W. Bush had...
Those aren't fair questions. Bush was/is mortal. The One makes those mistakes on purpose in order to APPEAR mortal...
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2009, 02:26:11 PM » |
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This one is for you Bil
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
If George W.. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?
If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims through out the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had created the position 32 or more Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had spent more than all the Presidents combined since George Washington, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 10 months -- so you'll have 3 years and 2 months to come up with an answer.
LET'S SEE HOW MANY OF YOU FORWARD THIS...
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