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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2009, 06:48:31 PM »



 I will give you a little history of something I know for a fact about the pharmaceutical industry, I worked for Monsanto from 93 til 98 when we were bought out by pharmacia, then in 2000 we were bought out by Phizer, our little plant (150 employees counting contractors) here in Augusta ga was the plant that launched celebrex, we supplied it for the world for the first 2 1/2 years until they got the plant in puerto rico running, see if a finished product in made in the united states it is taxed 40 percent, and some wonder why they haven't made puerto rico a state because if its made there, FDA regulated and all it is only taxed 8 percent, every pharmaceutical company has 3-6 plants in puerto rico (been there and seen it), our government is bought and owned by the big companies, in 2006 our plant was closed and it was the most updated and automated plant in the state, nobody wanted to buy it because they can build in puerto rico and only be taxed 8 percent, even out of country companies that get tax relief for owning here will pay less in wages and other benefits by owning in puerto rico and still be able to sale here in the states, our cost of medicines here are so high because this is where all the R&D is done, they re coop there cost from us, thats why you can get the same medication at lower cost from other countries, face it our country is run by big companies because there lobbiest are well funded to get things pushed through our government.

And yaw talk about cars and stuff when most of it is made in Mexico, economy and bad management plus help from the unions was the down fall for them. And the made in America sticker on thing is a bunch of bull, John Deere here in Ga gets all there equipment sent here already put together in those big shipping crates, they put the stickers on here and the tires and then they can legally put Made In America stickers on them, face it, a man on TV said in 2000 by the year 2020 there will be no industrial jobs here in the states, well by the looks of it,  it might be sooner than that.......  
Maybe the 40 percent tax is the key problem,not the big companies.Are these companies just supposed to eat this 40 percent?
I bet if you lived in a state that taxed your wages 8 percent you would not be in a hurry to move to a state where they took 40 percent of your earnings. Sounds like the government was making more on the Celebrex than Monsanto.The government did not assume the risk,invest the money or spend the money on the research for Celebrex. Yet they can claim 40 percent.Go figure!
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2009, 07:06:12 PM »

understand Ken but what I was getting at was puerto rico being the loop hole, they have tried to make it a state for years but it never passes, I don't hold it against the companies for making money, but its like most things here, built out of the country but the price is still like it was made here and steady goes up even though the cost for making it has dropped, puerto rico would have been a state years ago if it wasn't for the pharmaceutical industry, aw by the way when the bulk product is made in puerto rico it is then sent to Mexico to be put in pill or capsule form.
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2009, 07:10:47 PM »

If the federal government makes it a state,won't they tax the stuff there at 40 percent?Still looks like the Feds are the only ones who would benefit. Woulldn't it have made more sense to get rid of the 40 percent tax on it here?The consumer ultimately pays that 40 percent. There would be a lot more winners here by dropping the tax.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2009, 07:28:08 PM »

thats another thing, the higher taxes drive them down there, also the wages are a lot lower but cost of living is way low compared to us, but the main thing is why would the government tax so high instead of lowering taxes and keeping jobs here, they dont care if you are working or not as long as they get theirs,  seems our own government doesn't care about it's people until election time comes around then they put on their act's, just how much money they could stick in their pockets
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2009, 08:25:54 PM »

Over time, I think what the US will see is a reversion to what existed in the 19th and early 20th century – the super rich in control of government, and the dirt poor and starving masses scraping by in hunger and ill health.  The union movement changed this, but unions either don’t exist for the new economy (i.e. knowledge workers), or are almost irrelevant for physical labor (housing, auto, steel, etc.).  I can’t remember when I last heard of a strike or other union activity.

If this happens – then the US will finally be on an even footing with the 3rd world countries in the sense that there will be masses willing to work for nil just to feed themselves – and maybe then, wages for labor will become competitive and local manufacturing will come back.

Another way to fix the problem – though this will not happen (nor should it), is for the US to tax the s%# out of companies that produce overseas cheaply and sell in the US dearly – drive them out of the sales market with tariffs, delays in approvals, unique safety requirements, etc., and let local production fill the demand gap.  This is what Japan does – and I pay for it in much higher costs of goods and services.  As a consumer, I do not like it.  If I were a local producer, I might love it.

This second way is not efficient from a world-wide perspective in the use of resources, but it does keep politicians in office and the rich still get richer – but the poor benefit too in that the overall economy, while not robust, is relatively stable.  It requires an industrial policy and the chutzpa to put bureaucrats to good use in protecting an uneven playing field vis other countries.
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2009, 02:44:22 PM »



Ann posted this on facebook and at the end he gets to my earlier points about education and jobs.  enjoy.  it's entertaining and educational.  smiley
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2009, 03:16:13 PM »

Isn't that neat, Kathy?  I want the correct spelling of that phrase he uses, my tortured spelling is 'adagnorisis peripatia' but I know that isn't right.
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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2009, 03:59:43 PM »

anagnorisis
peripeteia

and no, i can't spell, but i can google!   evil
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2009, 04:16:38 PM »

Great video and excellent point having been made.

Here are links to the two words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagnorisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripeteia

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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2009, 05:01:23 PM »

anagnorisis
peripeteia

and no, i can't spell, but i can google!   evil
Thank you!   I was so off I couldn't get anything to come up Smiley
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