Im about as pro guns as you can get. I always wanted a slug gun as a kid, but when I had turned 18 and become old enough to get a license, they banned em. When I was a kid, you would see em all the time, we would shoot them mainly at targets. I do remember a duck copping it, a nice shot if I say so myself, I remember it swimming in circles and blood flowing and some girl screaming "youve killed it, youve killed it" it just so happens on this occasion a friends dog got into a fight and had deep teeth marks on its neck. These were blamed on the slug gun until the vet confirmed dog bite not slug gun. Anyway there was hell to pay. Another time a sparrow, and another brat girl moaning and whining about it. Geeze I could go on and on abouot slug guns. Seemed everytime I touched one I got into trouble. You know back in he sensible days, school cadets was popular, you would see 14 year old kids carrying .303s. None of them ever tried to rob a bank. Trains woould leave for the country, hundreds of blokes and guns all packed in for an overnight journey. No one got shot, not one negligent discharge.
Then I learned to use real ones in 4th/19th PWLH. I respect em. However down here, theres too many idiots and we have decided the risk of such a right to be not worth the risk. Its sad in a way, but we have never had a civil war or war of independence. We are the only democracy to gain that right without a war.
You have say 500 million guns in free hands. We might have a million, probably half that in reality now as most blokes handed em in. Shooting for sport is too hard now and too dear with petrol, 4wd etc. Nothing much to shoot unless you have a lot of time or live in the scrub. Duck hunting is almost over, no water, no ducks.
So we as countries have this vast difference of opinion on guns, its cultural.
I just cant comprehend allowing anyone to be armed near the President. Trust me, if this continues, someones going to have a crack at him but perhaps thats what people want to happen. We look at rallys in Iraq and Afghanistan and 20 other countries wherre people are all armed to the teeth and we call them savages. Whats the difference?
If I lived where you do, Id be carrying a gun, concealed or open, wouldnt matter. If I was assailed upon and had no escape, I would empty the clip without batting an eyelid. If it was a kid or a female, I might pistol whip first, being the nice bloke I am, give em a sporting chance.
Where I live, the CBD is out of control like never before. The city is a square mile, all the bars and clubs are open 24/7. Theres maybe 50,000 people out of a state of 4 million in there to have a good time. At weekends with sport and concerts on, there might be 300,000 for a few hours. NYE, maybe a milion. Its not big events that are a concern, its midweek, side street, 3am that is the problem.
Bashings almost nightly, mainly young people, in gangs attacking random people. Now all caught on security video. You have no idea what its like. The police have lost control. They lost control when we created an Ethical Standards Department, and an Independent Commission Against Corruption. That stopped coppers bashing crooks. It never failed, no matter how brutal it was. Lifts were a favorite place. I kid you not. An armed robber would not tell where the gun is, he enters 412 St Kilda Road fine, gets in the lift. Somewhere between ground and 10th floors, the lift stopped suddenly. Due to the nature of the stoppage, the crook would end up with a broken nose, ribs, jaw, arm, leg. Black eyes, ruptured spleen you name it. Strange things those lifts. As the crook was loaded into an ambulance, it seems he would have almost a death bed confession and give up the gun.
Now they dont find the guns, they get passed around from crook to crook. If the public had a right to own sidearms down here, we would be like the USA.
Its bad enough as it is, our youth have been brought up on a constant stream of violence and porn. Not just the online sites, but things like UFC, where grown idiots fight bare knuckles etc for fun, and its broadcast on TV. What next, bring back feeding Christians to the Lions? These fools have not lost touch with reality, they have never lived in reality. They dont know a computer game from reality. Give these clowns free reign at guns and id move to the USA where at least I have a fighting chance.
Of course its not all people. Just the same types here as you have there. Go about your daily routine and youd never have a problem. Be in the wrong place at the wrong time and chances are you dont have an arguement, you get bashed and stabbed. This has gone from .00000001% chance to something like a 2 or 3 percent chance and thats the worry.
Then the Judges continue to give people a chance with lenient sentences. Murder gets you 5 or 7 years down here if you are lucky, so you can imagine that bashing someone senseless to the point of being a vegetable gets you about 3 years, 12 months suspended, 3 months off for good behaviour, call it 18 months, 6 or 12 of that served at home with an ankle bracelet. The offender is watching a movie, working, earning money, having a good time, changed his name (untracable due to "privacy laws") and moved on whilst the victim is bed ridden and will be so for the next 30 or 40 years if they have good care. Perhaps the best thing about being in that body is the few hours of sleep each night.
Yes people kill people using guns, I agree with you. Yes you might deserve to keep them if you need to rise up against the government once again. But is all the pain and suffering really worth it all? It would be interesting to know what the US population spends on guns and ammo, how many people each year get convicted for firearms offences. Then we could compare the stats to down here.
Down here this is now the drill, If yu want a guin, you have to belong to a gun club or be a licensed shooter. You have to provide 3 references, have every minute of your life scrutinised by "the system" and be interviewed by a smart copper. He then goes and interviews your friends, neighbours, relos. He visits your house a few times, maybe 6am. 1pm and 3.30am and sees what your state of mind is. You dont have to open the door if you dont want to. He sees how often you go to the local pub, shecks your credit card statements, sees if you fly interstate. Checks your phone records. If you pass, you have the right to buy a nominated particular gun. It is registered, it has to be kept in a locked non removable cabinet. The ammo must be kept in the same fashion in another part of the house. The locks must be different. You may only have one set of keys, the coppers can ask for another set of keys, you can refuse if you want to lol.
Then after all this, the cops will call around 3 or 4 times a year, or maybe only once. 3am, 4pm, 8am, who knows, might be on xmas eve. You have to let him in , if you dont, bye bye gun.
All this sees maybe 8-12 people killed by guns in a State of 4 million people a year. Is that worth it?
Anyways, guns and politicians shouldnt mix.
Why cant you have a law that says you cant have a gun within a mile of a presidential public appearance, I dont mean a drive or a meeting, just a public "here I am shoot me" occasion?
Then again, y`all have a track record in shooting presidents, perhaps thats a right you feel you need to have?
I just find the difference we have on this fascinating. Its akin to trying to understand how there is a bloke called God sitting on a cloud somewhere directing the show. I just dont get it and maybe I never will.