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« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2009, 09:20:35 PM »

Mick, the US has two political parties. The very liberal Democrats, and the very conservative Republicans. The media overwhelmingly favors the Democrats. Therefore you are bombarded with their feelings and actions. You hear little or nothing about the Republicans.

Most on this forum, myself included, are Republicans. We believe in the ways things were. Each working for what they have and keeping it. If we want to give it away, fine, but get very hostile when it is taken by force. The socialist ways that have been adopted in the US recently goes against the grain with us. Since you don't see the media reporting about us, you think all of us support the one sided garbage you see in the media.

Hopefully, the liberals have stepped too for to the left now, and maybe we will see a correction coming soon. If not, I am afraid the greatest nation on earth will go the way of the Roman Empire.

For our sake, and all our allies, including you, let's hope we can go back to the way we were.

PS. I have fought beside your countrymen, ate with your countrymen, and bunked with your countrymen. Soldiers, anyway.
They are fine soldiers and good men. I am proud to have known them, but they were also misinformed about the US because of our liberal media.
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« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2009, 10:41:44 PM »

To Iddee and all of the other warriors that made this country proud, THANKS!!!

and to Mick and the rest....it's kinda like bee keeping.  You can read and read and read aaaalll you want.  Until you live it and experience it, it is just someone else's opinion that is regurgitated.  You can't be an expert, Mick, just by reading about it.  Sorry for ya.
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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2009, 04:00:30 AM »

Ah this is more like it, I will do my best to reply. Excuse the capitals and bold type, just makes it easier to read.

Mick I am really shocked at the animosity you are showing about our country. What is the reason behind it?

I REALLY LIKE THE US AND MANY OF HER PEOPLE. YOU DONT KNOW ME FROM ADAM, SO ITS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO WORK ME OUT, DETERMINE WHEN I AM SERIOUS AND WHEN I AM NOT.

The really sad part here is the fact that you are so off base its astounding.
Our country has its faults as does yours but don't presume to know what they are when there is obviously no way you possibly could if you are comparing a fiction movie you watched to reality.
That ridiculous remark about the movie deliverance being an accurate description of our southern citizens was not only disturbing it has hurt your credibilty greatly.
You call that reliably informed?

THAT WAS A JOKE, A MOMENT OF LEVITY IN A SERIOUS DISCUSSION, DESIGNED TO MAKE MY MANY FRIENDS IN HERE FROM THE SOUTH SMILE.

I haven't really formed an opinion about Australia yet (although this thread is helping me a great deal) but let me watch a couple of movies tonight and get back to you.
I am thinking if I watch the movie Australia I should learn most everthing I need to know about your country but there is one I remember from years ago called the Walk about with the aborigines you have there.
It was pretty bizarre with a father trying to murder his kids and bizarre nudity with prepubescent teens among other things.
 What was that other one with the woman... hmm, let me think, "the dingo ate your baby" is the line I remember from it.
I thought that guy "crocodile dundee" was a complete idiot, I guess that is what I should picture all of your people like.
What about steve irwin who waved his infant baby in front of a crocodile.
Between him doing that and the other guy trying to shoot his kids while they are on a picnic its a wonder you all have any children at all.
So lets see, just from the movies I have watched so far it seems that you have aborigines running around everywhere with the crocodile hunters and people waving babies in front of hungry crocs, taking their young children on dangerous safaris, using their kids for target practice, sniffiing petrol fumes and running from the police, suicides, and thats not counting the one who's dingo ate her baby.
You all seem pretty unstable to me and I have been reliably informed.

SEE ABOVE. BTW, STEVE IRWIN WAS AN IDIOT AND I HAVE SAID AS MUCH AND EXPLAINED WHY ON THIS SITE

You have made other remarks in the past some that are actually harmless but showed you do not know anything about our country.
Off the top of my head, not long ago you started a thread about this wonderful new singer that you have in australia that is the new sensation, doing sold out shows and how if australia likes you they just tuck you under the covers and keep them to yourselves and how you were not going to share her with the rest of the world or something to that effect.
Here is the funny part. Her name is PINK and she is and has been for a few years already a VERY famous AMERICAN performer who has toured all over the United States.
Here you think you have she is from your country and telling us what we are missing.

YOU FOOL, I SAID WE HAVE THIS GIRL DOWN HERE CALLED PINK, THAT IS TO SAY SHE WAS PHYSICALLY HERE ON TOUR. SHE SET THE RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE SOLD OUT SHOWS AT R.L.a. I SAID WHEN AUSTRALIA LOVES YOU SHE TAKES YOU IN. I KNOW SHE IS AN AMERICAN, SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

You may want to watch the movie australia as well there are a couple of actors from our country that are pretty good, Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman.

SEE ABOVE

You really do not know anything about our country but it does not stop you from starting these types of threads.
The title of this thread is "ONLY IN AMERICA" so I knew you were not going to be nice but I had no idea how degrading and nonsensical it would be.

ITS NEITHER, YOU JUST HAVE THE WRONG END OF THE STICK AND NOW JUST LOOK SILLY, TO BE POLITE AS I CAN

Mick why did you start this thread? It seems you were trying to start trouble from what I can tell.

BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR FACTS FROM THE HORSES MOUTH NOT RUMOUR FORM THE MEDIA.


Okay guys if I am not online tonight its because I am going to be studying a foreign country, I am going to rent crocodile dundee so I can lean about Mick's country.
If anyone wants to join me just bring some extra popcorn. pop

GO FOR IT, CROC DUNDEE ONE IS a FUNNY MOVIE.

Now Playing:
Where the Green Ants Dream (German: Wo die grünen Ameisen träumen) is a 1984 film by German film director Werner Herzog. It is set in the Australian desert and is about a land feud between a mining company and the native Aborigines. The Aborigines claim that an area the mining company wishes to work on is the place where green ants dream, and that disturbing them will destroy humanity. um okay.

THE ABORIGINALS HAVE MANY SUCH CONNECTIONS TO THE LAND. AUSTRALIA IS a FREE COUNTRY, BUT LIKE I SAID, ITS ALSO JUST a HUGE MINE. THE ABORIGINALS MADE NO MAPS, THEY DIDNT HAVE TO. UNTIL 1770, EVERYTHING WAS EVERYONES. UPSET THE SPIRITS AT YOUR OWN RISK. THE DREAMTIME HAS MANY SUCH STORIES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkabout_(film)

 high school girl (Jenny Agutter) and her much younger brother (Luc Roeg), are seen walking home across the urban landscape of Sydney, Australia. Their father, a geologist, drives them far into the outback, where they stop for a picnic. Suddenly, without warning or reason, he begins shooting at them, and when they run behind rocks for cover, he sets the car on fire and kills himself.

I GUESS HE WAS HAVING a BAD DAY, OR DID YOU SAY IT WAS a MOVIE.

This is probably a fair representation of what the australian people are all like:

Yolngu Boy is an Australian film which was released in 2001.

The film is about three Aboriginal Australians, Botj (Sean Mununggurr), Lorrpu (John Sebastian) and Milika (Nathan Daniels), that trek through Australia's Northern Territory when Botj, shortly after returning from prison, commits arson and vandalism whilst high from sniffing petrol. The three flee from the police who threaten to send Botj back to jail, and head to Darwin by coast. However, soon after their arrival, they are discovered by the police while sleeping in a hotel room. Botj leaves before the other two wake, and has been breathing petrol fumes for their hallucinogenic effects, which leads him to commit suicide by jumping off a bridge.

YES PETROL SNIFFING IS a PROBLEM IN MANY ABORIGINAL COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE INTRODUCED PETROL CALLED OPAL THAT CONTAINS FEW HYDROCARBONS INTO ABORIGINAL COMMUNITIES WHILST CONTINUING TO EDUCATE AGAINST SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

Something I noticed, in all three of these movies someone commits suicide, what is it about australia that they all want to kill themselves?
I will have to watch more movies to find out.


BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF AMERICAN CULTURE.
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« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2009, 04:23:58 AM »

Reinbeau, you wont get banned for arguing with me. Im not a sook. I am surprised though, that you thought my deliverence line was what I believe. I reckon I got half the south hook line and sinker whilst the other half is still on the floor. Pretty funny actually, made my day.

Yes we are a Convict Colony, we are now desperatley searching our past for convicts, its a badge of honour, to be a descendant of a convict. We are still a nation of thieves. We love it when the Poms call us convicts. They are dirty that they didnt leave the convicts at home and all migrate here in the 18th and 19th centuries. Sadly we are the only former English Colony to ever gain independence without a Civil War. We were too busy thieving to worry about fighting. The Poms couldnt get rid of us quick enough. You can still rob a house here and just get a warning. The best Convict to have is one that was "Transported" for stealing a hanky, or a loaf of bread. Id have hung em.

Iddee, I hope those boys took the p15s out of you at every opportunity, called you a septic tank,  ate all your food, pinched all your gear, took your money cheating at cards, made jokes about your girlfriend, made you pointman, signed your name on every piece of paper put infront of them, blew you up when you were on the can, drank you under the table and generally treated you as one of the boys.

My question remains unanswered. After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasnt the armed people of America used arms against the Government? No one can answer that. I repeat, what would it take to actually use the 2nd amendment as something other than an excuse to have a gun? Theres nothing. NO reason. It will never happen. If it did, youd all be killed. It would be over in a few days.

Anyway, our economy is driven by greed and corruption, WHOOPEEE!
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« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2009, 07:20:20 AM »

My question remains unanswered. After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasnt the armed people of America used arms against the Government?
Mick, if you look at Kathy's sig, she has a line from our Declaration of Independence. The sentence that follows is the answer to your question:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Simply put, it's easier to suffer the evils of our current gov't than to take up arms against it.

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I repeat, what would it take to actually use the 2nd amendment as something other than an excuse to have a gun? Theres nothing. NO reason. It will never happen. If it did, youd all be killed. It would be over in a few days.
History tells us that the chance of a rag-tag minority of armed farmers defeating the British army 200+ years ago was laughable. It would be over in a few days. But the outcome was different than expected.

You are right that today's armed Americans would get slaughtered in major combat with the U.S. armed forces. But you're overlooking two very important things:

First, we Americans have long preferred to be unconventional in fighting. During the American Revolution, the British complained that we didn't fight fair; hiding behind trees and fences instead of standing in straight lines in open fields shooting at each other. In an armed uprising, we Americans would tend to guerrilla warfare, hidden snipers and such. We'd utilize the fact that the number of armed Americans out-number the number of U.S. soldiers by over 50 to 1.

Second, and more importantly, is the fact that our military and it's commanders tend to be very conservative and patriotic. I firmly believe that if there's another revolution, the military will largely be on the side of the revolutionaries. Rather than shooting at armed citizens, they'd be more likely to march on Washington D.C.

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« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2009, 08:42:20 AM »

>>>>After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasn't the armed people of America used arms against the Government?<<<<

We have. We do daily. The best use there is for guns against people is having them, showing them, and insuring that the other person knows we can and will use them. That is MUCH more effective then actually firing them.

PS. Mick, please go back and edit your post. We do NOT call other members "fool" or other names. We just post our side of the issue.

PPS. You mean the blokes were supposed to do all that stuff BACK at me??  huh  grin
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« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2009, 10:10:17 AM »

My question remains unanswered. After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasnt the armed people of America used arms against the Government? No one can answer that. I repeat, what would it take to actually use the 2nd amendment as something other than an excuse to have a gun? Theres nothing. NO reason. It will never happen. If it did, youd all be killed. It would be over in a few days

What has our government done "over the years" that warranted us responding with violence?  What, in your scholarly opinion, should have provoked us to the point that we excercised our right to "bear arms" against our government?  We have, when it was neccessary.  That is clear, and you have obviously studied history enough to see that.  It seems, from you question, that you see times when we could have/should have, but didn't.  If this is true, what are they?

Do you, Mick, actually think that anyone needs an "excuse" to have a gun?  Just curious, I have no aspirations of changing your mind.  It is a God given right to preserve self.  This is a much bigger philosophical issue than we/I have the time to discuss at length....agree to disagree, but I am curious.
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« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2009, 11:27:08 AM »

As Quoted by Mick,

My question remains unanswered. After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasnt the armed people of America used arms against the Government? No one can answer that. I repeat, what would it take to actually use the 2nd amendment as something other than an excuse to have a gun? Theres nothing. NO reason. It will never happen. If it did, youd all be killed. It would be over in a few days.


I hope to answer your questions:

Reasons for owning a Firearm, does not matter what make or type:
1. Self-defense of a Home or in public against those who wish to kill, maim and rape, do bodily harm, believe me when I say this, there are literally hundreds of thousands of unkind people roaming the USA. Our Law Enforcement Officers cannot be everywhere, and by law, they are not here to protect us, they are too busy chasing bad guys and they cannot get them all.
2. Hunt
3. Keeps the government in Check, READ THE CONSTITUTION !
4. Sporting in marksmanship and competition.
Now why have we not used it against our Government is because there has not been a justifyable need to at this time. I really hope that time never comes. Our Government is like a Yin Yang, there are 2 opposing forces. The government serves the people of the USA, not the other way around, when they serve themselves ( as  many of them do ) then it is time to vote them out. When the Government fears the People, it is called Liberty, When the People fear the Government, it's called Tyranny. As someone has mentioned before, if the USA goes down, then the Beacon of Liberty on this Earth has vanished.

Enjoy your day Mick  grin
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« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2009, 06:48:42 PM »

mick, our government(s) have done some screwball things over the years.  we have had presidents throw the constitution in the trash for many reason.  some, in my opinion, good.  in each case, we have come back to our constitution, with some minor modification.  we still suffer from the social engineering of FDR, but we do not have muslim internment camps.  lincoln did things that were clearly unconstitutional such as the emancipation proclamation, suspension of habeas corpus, etc. but in the end, those things probably did us good.

what we see now, is a trashing of our constitution with no national emergency to even marginally justify it.  it is social engineering at it's worst.  we have a president, surrounded by friends, who see their job as re-writing the fabric of our nation. i believe they are looking for that emergency that will allow them to do the things they wish to do.  they are attacking our intel, internet, broadcasting.  they are organizing to suppress speech, and right to gather.  they are engaging in intimidation of those who speak out against them.

i predict that we will be patient through the next election, but if there is even the hint of impropriety in that election, there may be an uprising. many people are regretting their vote.  many suspect that there were some hinky things that went on in some of the voting...more on the congressional level and local that national. 

obama was duly elected, but he took an oath to the constitution, no to his agenda.  he must be held to that oath.

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« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2009, 09:38:51 PM »

My question remains unanswered. After all that your Government has done over the years, why hasnt the armed people of America used arms against the Government? No one can answer that. I repeat, what would it take to actually use the 2nd amendment as something other than an excuse to have a gun? Theres nothing. NO reason. It will never happen. If it did, youd all be killed. It would be over in a few days.

I'll try to give you an answer that you can relate to. It has not reached critical mass.

Americans (or most of us) come from immigrants from all nations, who wanted a better, freer life, and most of us have the remnants of our pioneer spirit ancestors' blood still running in our veins. Pioneering types are stubborn, hard-headed, adventurous, and idealistic. We don't want to believe that anyone would actually want to ruin the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. We hold on to the hope that deep down inside, people are good hearted and have good intentions. We are, in our nature, patient and slow to anger. We are willing to endure hardship and hold onto hope that things will get better. We are innovative, creative, and willing to think outside the box in order to come up with a better mouse trap or send a man to the moon. We thrive in a free atmosphere, but the atmosphere has been getting more and more restricted, and we see ourselves declining. Most of us are not willing to settle for mediocrity. We want to rise to the top, not for the sake of being on top, but for the satisfaction of performing a job well and succeeding. We understand what that takes, and we see it gradually being torn out from under us. We do not like it, but our natures drive us to endure and work hard. Endurance and work ethic predispose us to being very patient. We have not reached a tipping point at this time. It's starting to happen. A large portion of us are awakening to the possibility of losing what we and our ancestors have worked so hard for over the past three hundred or so years to build and preserve.  The problem with slow to anger, is that anger erupts. Hopefully, we can turn things around with talk and elections. Our founding fathers talked for 20 years.
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« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2009, 09:37:05 AM »

I suspect Mick has read more of our founding documents than many Americans have(US citizens maybe I should say).
 
I can say one thing,this topic sure has sparked discussion.As far as the military turning on the people ,I don't think it will happen.Most of the members of the Armed forces would sooner defend the Constitution of the US than bow to tyrrany!  You can rest assured most of our proud members of these services are Patriotic to this great nation. All the whiners and bawl babies would not put forth the effort and dedication it takes to sacrifice their lives on the front lines to preserve our way of life.They will only stand by and never thank these fine young men and women for giving them the right to try and defile this shining beacon on the hill of hope.
And as far as gun ownership,I bet most members of the Armed services are also private gun owners and would be the first to defend the right to keep these arms.
 And as far as why should we keep these arms?Think about this:Obama wants to have a civilian policew force as strong or stronger than our current military! Why would that be? Maybe to try and defeat a military that may come to arms aganst a tyrannical government? Hmmmmm
Who would this police force be protecting us from? Tea party participants? Town hall attendees?
It surely is not against foreign invaders or we would have gated the borders first.
Hmmmm,I say Hmmmm
Glad Mick has got ya all thinking. Just keep your eyes open because there are quite a few on our own soil that think the way you all perceive Micks thoughts here.
     I'm not the best at articulating with words but I think you all can see my view!!    Have a great and Patriotic day all,and rememberMick has praised what America has done for this world more than a lot of Americans do!!
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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2009, 05:23:59 AM »

I can think of a dozen reasons since I was born that the US citizens should have forced out a President/Government with force, but will save them for another time.

From what I have read, I now conclude that you all want the right to bear arms, not for bringing down a Government but for protecting yourselves and your families from threat if need be.

This want is best addressed by adequate gun licensing and regulation, not a carte blanche constitutional right.

If you are of sane mind and pass a raft of tests, you can have all the guns you want, except military types, grenades, Artillery etc.

If you are a drunk, crack head, criminal, nut case, a crook, and a hundred other types of misfit, no guns for you.

Then if you are found with a gun and no license, off to the slammer, no questions asked.

Throw in a 5 year Gun Amnesty, no names, no pack drill, hand it in and leave or hand it in and claim market value.

You have proved that in over 200 years, nothing your Government has done, no matter how politically, socially, economically, or militarily woeful, has even made you think about it so you dont need the 2nd Amendment. It is an outdated piece if law that should have been removed a hundred years ago.

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« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2009, 06:59:11 AM »

Well Mick,
On this I disagree,The whole Constitution has served us pretty well. It is a bad beginning to start with removing one of the articles of the Bill of Rights as it has been known. Remove one from the Constitution and it will not be long until the rest follow.
It is illegal for convicted felons to own guns in this country.Not everyone has retained the right to do so.
  But if you use your logic to determine who can own guns in this country,the nanny staters would make it almost impossible for any one to own a gun.I thank the good Lord for giving our forefathers the wisdom to make it so difficult to repeal these freedoms without getting it passed through the houses of a majority of states before it can be repealed altogether.It is difficult enough keeping free speech in this country with being able to own our guns.It would be easy to make that go away if guns were gone.
 I imagine in your country it would be almost impossible for the people to get their guns back at this point.Even if a majority wanted them back.
Maybe you can think of a dozen reasons why there should have been an uprising,but evidently our citizens saved it for the voting box.It is when the election system starts to fail miserably that the people may take up these arms.Look at the people in the streets of Iran,they are forced to throw stones and roll over cars to protest their government.Not much of a match against bullets and armour.Hopefully that will not happen here.
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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2009, 07:53:24 AM »

I can think of a dozen reasons since I was born that the US citizens should have forced out a President/Government with force, but will save them for another time.

From what I have read, I now conclude that you all want the right to bear arms, not for bringing down a Government but for protecting yourselves and your families from threat if need be.

This want is best addressed by adequate gun licensing and regulation, not a carte blanche constitutional right.

If you are of sane mind and pass a raft of tests, you can have all the guns you want, except military types, grenades, Artillery etc.


If you are a drunk, crack head, criminal, nut case, a crook, and a hundred other types of misfit, no guns for you.

Then if you are found with a gun and no license, off to the slammer, no questions asked.

Throw in a 5 year Gun Amnesty, no names, no pack drill, hand it in and leave or hand it in and claim market value.

You have proved that in over 200 years, nothing your Government has done, no matter how politically, socially, economically, or militarily woeful, has even made you think about it so you dont need the 2nd Amendment. It is an outdated piece if law that should have been removed a hundred years ago.


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« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2009, 10:17:56 AM »

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You have proved that in over 200 years, nothing your Government has done, no matter how politically, socially, economically, or militarily woeful, has even made you think about it so you don't need the 2nd Amendment. It is an outdated piece if law that should have been removed a hundred years ago.

 
 

super plan.  we should have written amendments with expiration dates.  that way the government would know when it was safe to become oppressive and dictatorial.....oh wait, they are already doing that.

mick, i have an idea what you are getting at, and you are right.  people do need to think about what they will allow, and whether they have already allowed to much.  then they need to think about changing things and DO IT.  one would hope this would be done at the ballot box, but all options need to be on the table.....as they say....
 
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« Reply #95 on: August 31, 2009, 11:02:07 AM »

I can think of a dozen reasons since I was born that the US citizens should have forced out a President/Government with force, but will save them for another time.
So can I...and a few times that we've done it on smaller scales. But you are correct there have been several times it would have been "appropriate", but since the "War of Northern Agression" when Lincoln reconquered the South, we've chosen to pick our battles more selectively.

From what I have read, I now conclude that you all want the right to bear arms, not for bringing down a Government but for protecting yourselves and your families from threat if need be.
For the most part you are correct, though the threat of armed resistance to oppression is still there, and there is a certain detant in that.

This want is best addressed by adequate gun licensing and regulation, not a carte blanche constitutional right.
Here is where you will run up against rabid disagreement, as that is the same argument that worked so well bringing Hitler into power. Why make the same mistake knowing the risk?

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« Reply #96 on: August 31, 2009, 11:11:52 AM »

If you are of sane mind and pass a raft of tests, you can have all the guns you want, except military types, grenades, Artillery etc.
Since we are all "Innocent, until proven guilty", we are all automatically qualified until deemed otherwise - and our society was originally planned to include proper training in the shooting sports, by nature - thus insuring that all of us were to be familiar with all types of weapons "of use to the Militia" - including NFA type weapons....Possibly even artilery pieces (reference those personally owned by Ben Franklin in the Rev War.)

If you are a drunk, crack head, criminal, nut case, a crook, and a hundred other types of misfit, no guns for you.
Yep. This should earn one an instant flag on ones ID - no background check required....Check the ID - if it's flagged - do not sell to that individual.

Then if you are found with a gun and no license, off to the slammer, no questions asked.
Even Flagged IDs can be due to false reasoning and appeals should be able to clear them. Why invite tyranny?

Throw in a 5 year Gun Amnesty, no names, no pack drill, hand it in and leave or hand it in and claim market value.
Market value? You'd be lucky to get bluebook of $50 on a $50,000 collectable. I think not.

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ave proved that in over 200 years, nothing your Government has done, no matter how politically, socially, economically, or militarily woeful, has even made you think about it so you dont need the 2nd Amendment. It is an outdated piece if law that should have been removed a hundred years ago.
One could also argue that that "outdated piece" is one of the major reasons that the offenses have remaind so incremental....The "Right" was recognised to have existed long before we became a country, and is still valid today as it was then. Possibly more so.
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« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2009, 12:43:21 PM »

Mick, what I don't think you understand is that the mere fact we have them prevents us from needing to use them. The fact that the government, would-be robbers, ETC. know we are armed, will prevent them from acting wrongly. The many times that are prevented are impossible to see or record, so no one knows they happened. Guns are used in the USA for prevention much more often then for correction.
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« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2009, 01:01:50 PM »

Mick, why did you guys let the government take your guns? Why did the Brits let the government take their guns?
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« Reply #99 on: August 31, 2009, 01:17:36 PM »

The Second Amendment... The Defender of the Rest!

Besides, guns don't kill people, someone has the pull the trigger.  If you are beaten to death with a Louisville Slugger, are you any less dead? Undecided
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