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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 01:47:16 AM »

You are not just kidding, that is a little too creepy for me. Reminds me of some of the souvenirs my Dad brought back from Germany in WWII.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 07:54:07 AM »

Yikes, where'd that come from?

Don't these idiots realize those of us 'of an age' grew up with the communism symbols and ideology, and we recognize it when we see it?   rolleyes  Are they really that stupid - wait, I'm sorry, I know, everything that was old is new again.....
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 10:27:26 AM »

i had a vision of this flying over every hospital, and hanging over the door to every clinic.  reinbeau, they don't teach history.  how would kids know?  to them,the cold war is some kind of weird psychological thing we went through.  after all, russia would never have nuked us.  really.  they can't really teach the history of communism because that would mean teaching right and wrong.  instead, they teach it as a government and economic "choice".

his seal and this one remind me of something i have seen recently.  a movie or something.  i just don't remember what it was.  

he knows he can't quite get away with plastering his picture everywhere.  he can plaster his chosen symbol on everything.  how very scary and arrogant.

have we ever had a president create their own seal?  as i recall, most have been pretty happy with the official office seal.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 10:49:16 AM »

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I saw a picture(a bead art creation) of a giant poster of the chosen one in front of the white house for his birthday.  I thought it a bit arrogant to leave it there.  Its nice if people like you, but good grief, put it in a room or something.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 11:04:48 AM »

Its nice if people like you, but good grief, put it in a room or something.


It's nice that our education system is wasting our $'s and indoctrinating 1000 4th grader to make the stupid thing........

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 11:15:20 AM »

your link seems to be down sad
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 11:39:30 AM »

I have just walked out of a morning break lunchroom debate with 3 coworkers who strongly believe in Obama's proposed complete government healthcare system and I now have a massive headache, folks, we cannot fix stupid. These naive men have no clue as to what they are supporting nor the ramifications of this system if it is rammed down our throats. They have no clue as what has transpired since the government has stuck it's ugly face into a private market driven healthcare system, the government is the reason why many hospitals, clinics, private practices have disappeared since the 50's, the government does not like competition. It is many things, but most of all , it is about control. The "Silent Majority" really needs to wake up. I don't know if it has to do with race, creed or culture, but the 3 guys I had this debate with are as follows: Pakistani with a permanent visa, a Banglideshi with a permanent visa and an African-American born and raised here, all three believe in a totally socialist government and economy. These are great guys I work with, but my God, they don't know any better angry
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 11:43:34 AM »

your link seems to be down sad


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People gather in front of the World's Largest Beaded Photo Mosaic of U.S. President Barack Obama on display in front of the White House in Washington, August 3, 2009. The project, created with over 372,600 beads by 1000 fourth grade students from across the U.S., was made in honor of Obama's 48th birthday which will be celebrated tomorrow.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 12:02:57 PM »

bee hopper, socialism sounds good.  it's "fair".  there are two questions i ask of people when the talk about how great government _______ would be.  1.  what does government produce or earn?  the answer is 'nothing'.  2.  from whom will government get the money for these wonderful programs?  the answer is 'from those who earn and produce'.

then you can ask 1.  to support these programs the government will need more money.  if, the harder you work, the more they take, how much more work are you willing to do to keep your lifestyle?  2.  what is the incentive to work, if the government if giving people what they want without them having to work for it?  are you willing to work and give your money to the government so that they can give it to people who have no incentive to work?

the argument for government programs is usually that "the rich" do not pay enough.  corporations do not pay enough.  ask them if they think their company can keep all it's employees if it is forced to pay  more and more in taxes?  you probably have a company health care plan?  ask them if they would give it up for government care?

you get the idea.  i find that asking questions makes people think instead of react.  you can tell people stuff all day long, but it's better when they tell themselves.

liberals are all about emotion.  doing things for people feels good.  having the government take care of people, sounds good.  you have to get them off the surface feelings and down to the facts. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 12:04:35 PM »

your link seems to be down sad


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People gather in front of the World's Largest Beaded Photo Mosaic of U.S. President Barack Obama on display in front of the White House in Washington, August 3, 2009. The project, created with over 372,600 beads by 1000 fourth grade students from across the U.S., was made in honor of Obama's 48th birthday which will be celebrated tomorrow.
REUTERS/Jim Young (UNITED STATES POLITICS SOCIETY)




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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 12:04:53 PM »

works now.  it's a Dear Leader thing!  can you imagine if school children had done such a thing for bush?  it would have been right up there with the "mission accomplished" thing.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2009, 12:09:01 PM »

bee hopper, socialism sounds good.  it's "fair".  there are two questions i ask of people when the talk about how great government _______ would be.  1.  what does government produce or earn?  the answer is 'nothing'.  2.  from whom will government get the money for these wonderful programs?  the answer is 'from those who earn and produce'.

then you can ask 1.  to support these programs the government will need more money.  if, the harder you work, the more they take, how much more work are you willing to do to keep your lifestyle?  2.  what is the incentive to work, if the government if giving people what they want without them having to work for it?  are you willing to work and give your money to the government so that they can give it to people who have no incentive to work?

the argument for government programs is usually that "the rich" do not pay enough.  corporations do not pay enough.  ask them if they think their company can keep all it's employees if it is forced to pay  more and more in taxes?  you probably have a company health care plan?  ask them if they would give it up for government care?

you get the idea.  i find that asking questions makes people think instead of react.  you can tell people stuff all day long, but it's better when they tell themselves.

liberals are all about emotion.  doing things for people feels good.  having the government take care of people, sounds good.  you have to get them off the surface feelings and down to the facts. 

Kathy,

You are correct, Liberals debate with emotion, Conservatives debate with Logic. I should have known better, and I do have a document that explains how to debate Liberals, but I kinda slipped  embarassed
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2009, 01:09:03 PM »

folks, we cannot fix stupid.


That pretty much says it.

  It is many things, but most of all , it is about control. The "Silent Majority" really needs to wake up.

Yes, it's about control.  The thing they are not taking into account is that there are still plenty of us who don't buy into it. The silent majority is in the process of awakening.  It's about darn time. 



I don't know if it has to do with race, creed or culture, but the 3 guys I had this debate with are as follows: Pakistani with a permanent visa, a Banglideshi with a permanent visa and an African-American born and raised here, all three believe in a totally socialist government and economy. These are great guys I work with, but my God, they don't know any better angry

They probably don't know any better, and the bad thing about ignorance is that the remedy which usually gets applied, just by nature, is a painful lesson in consequences. I just hope that there are still enough non-ignorant folks out here to stop some of this insantiy we are seeing from DC. If a major change in the mindset of America's youth does not occur, complete socialization will eventually be a reality.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 01:17:12 PM »

remember after the 1st tea party people were afraid it was a flash in the pan thing?  i said then that the major outcome would be that people got a chance to network with those of like mind.  that networking is now becoming apparent.  the WH may call this orchestrated, and in a way it is, but it came from concerned people finding out that they were not alone.  we know that we have a voice and don't have to hide.  we, too, can march in the streets and make them listen.  that's kind of a new thing for conservatives.

and may i point out, that like the tea parties, there are many democrats in these town hall meetings who are just as upset.  some because the proposals are not left enough, but many because they see where this stuff is leading.

we had the Reagan revolution because people woke up after the carter debacle.  perhaps, if we have a strong leader, we can come back from this.
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2009, 01:36:28 PM »

Kathy,

You are correct, Liberals debate with emotion, Conservatives debate with Logic. I should have known better, and I do have a document that explains how to debate Liberals, but I kinda slipped  embarassed

Not to worry. It has taken me many years to figure out how to deal effectively with emotional-based arguments (and liberals and conservatives are both guilty of using this tactic).
We live in a world composed largely of emotionally-dominated people, and you can't change that, but you can respond in a reasonable, objective, non-emotionally-charged manner, and manage to have productive arguments with enough practice and a good understanding of human nature and psychology. The most effective  thing I have learned to do is control my own emotional responses and arguments, be consistent, and (like Kathy said), ask questions designed to provoke thought rather than feeling. Many people don't want to think, because it takes more effort and self-control than feeling.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2009, 01:51:53 PM »

his seal and this one remind me of something i have seen recently.  a movie or something.  i just don't remember what it was.  

he knows he can't quite get away with plastering his picture everywhere.  he can plaster his chosen symbol on everything.  how very scary and arrogant.

What most people don't realize is that this president is all about image and symbolism. Imo, he has some pretty deep-rooted issues and the way he deals with them is through a fantasy of sorts. This is not uncommon at all, and I believe it is becoming more of a problem with people in general. I remember reading an article by a psychiatrist back before the election, and his prediction was that whichever candidate was able to effectively create the mythological symbol that the majority of Americans were looking for, would win the election. I knew then that there was no way McCain would win. I personally wasn't too enthused with McCain, but I think he would have been a much better leader because I try to look at character issues before image, and I do believe he has good solid character born of real experiences. Most people are sucked in by the imaginary answer to their problems, and they fail to look past the image.

Who better to make up his own symbols than a man who is nothing besides a symbol himself?
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2009, 01:53:53 PM »

Kathy,

You are correct, Liberals debate with emotion, Conservatives debate with Logic. I should have known better, and I do have a document that explains how to debate Liberals, but I kinda slipped  embarassed

Not to worry. It has taken me many years to figure out how to deal effectively with emotional-based arguments (and liberals and conservatives are both guilty of using this tactic).
We live in a world composed largely of emotionally-dominated people, and you can't change that, but you can respond in a reasonable, objective, non-emotionally-charged manner, and manage to have productive arguments with enough practice and a good understanding of human nature and psychology. The most effective  thing I have learned to do is control my own emotional responses and arguments, be consistent, and (like Kathy said), ask questions designed to provoke thought rather than feeling. Many people don't want to think, because it takes more effort and self-control than feeling.

Your Point is well taken  grin
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2009, 06:17:31 PM »

  Back in the 60's, and yes I remember them, the Federal government took over the care of the poor.
  Before that help was local. The Township passed out government "Commodities" to those who applied. Sacks of flour and cornmeal, canned meats, dried beans, rice, and so on. Enough for the family to get throught the month. Many churches had a family or two they supported, and many a Sunday a member would rise and offer that "Brother Jones" was short of coal or heating oil, or couldn't pay his light bill. The hat was passed and someone would offer a truck to haul the coal, or go take the money to the Jones'.
  By being local the people knew who was in trouble for real and who was just a lay about.
  Mr Johnson declared war on poverty and his weapon was money. By giving them money they weren't poor anymore.
  In those days a presidential election was something you turned out for. The war was recent memory, Korea still in the news, with missles in Cuba and proxy wars of liberation everywhere, the world seemed a dangerous place for freedom.
  But as people became comfortable, and they no longer were reminded of the needs of their neighbors, they turned inward. As they turned away from the outside, and the poor no longer felt driven to provide for themselves, they lost interest in anything that did not enter their living rooms. Including who runs the country.
  Every year the number of voters has dropped. Even this last election was down. Apathy will bury this country. And when it falls those who have built their lives on the public dole will fall the farthest. Charity cannot support them all.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2009, 07:42:26 PM »

The schools are brainwashing these kids to idolize him. My 8 year old son came home from school singing a song about obama, he is in a class for children with disabilities, they can't teach him to read but they taught him this freaking song. angry
I have never had a child come home from school singing a song about any president ever.
This is the same school who won't let kids dress up for halloween if a there is a child in the class who has a religious belief against it-happened last year.
The same school system who is calling it a holiday tree and not a christmas tree, no longer having christmas parties etc.
So all this politically correctness seems to be at their convenience.
Unfortunately my son seemed to like the way the words sounded in this song, certain sounds/words appeal to him, so he kept singing it at random times.
I had to tell him not to sing that song around his grandfather and he said but why, and I said it will bother him and he said but why? What could I tell him? My son has no idea what he is singing, to him its just a fun song.
 My father is in his eighties, he loves and has served his country and now has to watch as it goes down the crapper because of this snake oil salesman.
I don't want to rub salt in the wound.
Now I have a son who is bursting out in song on a whim and at the most inopportune times, I don't appreciate the school putting me in that position.
I was told by my kids on Nick Jr they are teaching the kids that obama is a "cool president", he plays basketball and has a hoop or a basketball court at the white house.
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