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Online kathyp

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here comes the government!
« on: July 19, 2009, 01:11:32 PM »
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 09:17:36 PM »
So I'm wondering if that's part of the reason the Census people are mapping everyone's front door locations. So they can find you later to "intervene". This actually made me feel ill while reading it.

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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 10:18:52 AM »
Those who give up their freedoms for security, deserve neither.

I'll just keep my powder dry and my tomahawk sharpened, as always.

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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 10:28:03 AM »
I have 3 small children and get a threatening letter each month that says "our records show ect. ect. ect....if you do not comply then the proper authorities will be notified". I don't participate in getting my children vaccinated.
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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 11:03:29 AM »
my sister lives in england.  she wanted to bring her SILs kids over for a visit.  they can't leave school for a vacation. if the parents take them out for something like that, they can go to jail!  yup....we want to be more like europe.

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I don't participate in getting my children vaccinated

you have the right to make that choice for your children (at the moment :-) ).  as much as i disagree with it, i sure don't want to see the government taking that choice away.

we have a case in oregon where the parents trusted prayer to heal their daughter rather than take her to a doctor.  the little girl died and the parents may go to jail. 
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville

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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 12:07:32 PM »
I get letters all the time from Kaiser Hospital telling me to get this test done and that test done.  I tear up the letters all the time because only I decide what I am going to get done.

This sounds scary.

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Re: here comes the government!
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 12:28:20 PM »
England has changed a lot since I left in 1990. we went back in 2000 and there were cameras everywhere. I went with the family for lunch at a local pub and they were horrified that I had a second beer. Attitudes have really changed. The parents are required to make sure kids attend school or they can go to jail, even if they ake every effort to get the kids there, if they then sneak out it is the parent who is accountable, they even have a law in effect now that can lable you as a disruptive person to the community, you can get home confinement or even jail, sure glad I got out when I did.

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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 01:10:38 PM »
Who needs the government for that?

My wife saw a doctor whom we usually don't see when my daughter hurt her finger trying out a Ripstik...and the doctor and med student put a lot of pressure on her to get the HPV vaccine for my daughter.

My wife told them that rather than just get the vaccine, we were actively training our daughter how NOT to be a <bleep>.

Well, she didn't but probably would have if she did better under pressure. :roll:

The kids do all have the chicken pox vaccine, although we don't like it.  It is so silly...I remember seeing an advertisement that that vaccine saves something like 2 kids from dying from chicken pox per year.  Didn't say how many die as complications from the vaccine, or how many were going to die from CP side effects as adults, though.

Shingles, anyone? :roll:
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 01:28:01 PM »
i wouldn't do HPV either.  my kids had chickenpox, so that wasn't an issue.

MMR and polio are  probably the most important ones.  i guess i come from a generation that saw what some of these disease did.  parents today just don't have any idea what happened when something like measles went through a school.  they never had to dump their kids in an ice bath, or hope that seizers and pneumonia were not the next thing to come.  most parents today have never seen what encephalitis does, or had a child's heart damaged by rheumatic fever. 

it's a different world as far a childhood disease go.  that's a good thing.  :-)
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

 Alexis de Tocqueville

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 01:32:18 PM »
Just this last weekend my kid noticed the scar on my shoulder from my polio vacination, she wanted to know what it was. I had to explain the whole process to her as I guess its completely different now.

 

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