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Question: Which do you think is a BETTER system
9 Frame Super using frame spreader to build deeper cells - 11 (45.8%)
10 Frame Super - letting the frames themselves do the spreading - 13 (54.2%)
Total Voters: 23

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Author Topic: 9 frames or 10?  (Read 7565 times)
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2005, 09:09:48 PM »

My preference is 10 frames in the brood hives and 9 frames in the honey supers. I use the metal nine frame spacers nailed on top of the frame rests for the honey supers. Am still going to give the 20 frame long hive a try this year as soon as my nucs build up. Tell me again,why do some of you squeeze in eleven to a standard hive body? I think you would injure or kill a lot more bees rolling them between the tighter spaces-maybe even your queen!

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2005, 10:53:30 PM »

I say 10 frames all the way, too much bur comb gets built without all of them in there. Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »

Quote from: Michael Bush
You can easily take a frame out of 10 frames and space the 9 out.  You can't easily add a frame if they have drawn it for 9 frames because they will draw honey sticking out and that will not have a beespace when you squeeze them back together.  If they drew it as 9 I would leave it alone for now.  It's one of the reasons I don't like 9 frames in the brood chamber.  They won't draw the face out consistent and if you juggle the frames around you end up with honey sticking out blocking some brood emerging somewhere.  I prefer to cut them down to 1 1/4" and put in 11.  Smiley

I agree completely with Michael Bush's description of the situation and I am working at shaving my end bars to 1-1/4" wide as I work at changing the genetics of my bees (but that's another story). Though, instead of an extra frame I plan to install slatted racks on the sides of the brood supers. I've already been testing this and have found that the queen will often lay even on the outside of the outermost combs, so with 11 combs you have 22 comb surfaces (usually 20 possible with brood) and with supers with racks you have 10 combs, 20 surfaces (20 possible with brood). Plus there is extra space for ventilation and bees. Sure it is a little more bothersome to build and install the racks, but I really love to tinker with the bees.

In honey supers I like to use 9 or often 8. About the same amount of honey in 8, 9, or 10, but I'd rather extract it from 8 rather than 10, saves a little bit of time and effort.

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