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Offline Jerrymac

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« on: July 08, 2009, 12:03:02 PM »
I am sure we have all heard of it. Mostly we think of it as a useless pill that works because the person taking the pill believes it works. I suppose it could work either way, that is it could improve one's health or could make a person sicker. I wonder if a person could actually die because they thought they were poisoned when it was just a salt tablet placed into their drink?

I have to imagine that Voo Doo, Hoo Doo, witch spells and others only work if the person it is done to believes it will work.

What about other things? Cell phones. Perhaps they will only give you a tumor if you really believe they will. I heard about this little trick a person can pull on another. You get your victim tied to a chair. This person watches you turn on the oven and place a knife in side. Or I guess you could do it on the stove burner. Give the knife time to heat up really hot. Then at some point you place a blind fold over the person's eyes and in a bit they hear you taking the knife out of the oven.

What they didn't hear was you (or accomplice) take a knife out of the freezer that was placed there earlier. Now you touch the victims bare arm or neck or what ever with the freezing cold knife. If this person really believes you would have placed that hot knife on him/her they will have a burn. (No I never tried it)

What about all this other stuff? If you believe in ghost, or UFOs or other strange happenings, would you see them?

Think about it.
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Re: Placebo
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 12:35:01 PM »
the mind is a very powerful thing and can play tricks on you. The power of suggestion is also powerful.

Sounds like you have too mch time on your hands and need to go play in the bees, just don't think about getting stung and you wont :-D

just kidding you.

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Re: Placebo
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 12:59:22 PM »
Hey Jerry, some people would call tying a victim to a chair kidnapping. Be careful with that "little trick". :lau:

What if you're wrong, but think you're right, does that mean you're right, if you believe it strongly enough?

Just pulling your chain a little Jerry. :evil:

Faith is a powerful thing Jerry.


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Re: Placebo
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 01:42:56 PM »
And f you chain their leg to a pole, blindfolded, give them a knife, and play sounds of a fire crackling in a building, will they cut their own leg off?  :roll:

My wife went to a "homeopath" (only twice) who "healed" people by first waving a pendulum over little vials of essences (including one called "ovaries"!!) that would indicate a problem, and then making the patient hold them while somehow channelling energy through the vials curing them of the problem.  Some people claimed that it helped.  We just got skeptical.
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Re: Placebo
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 03:35:56 PM »
JP,

No matter what it is, you are right if at least 51% believe you are right, and wrong if 51% believe you are wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 04:03:11 PM »
Jerry, so you're saying that faith can distort facts?


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Re: Placebo
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 06:03:21 PM »
Facts can not be distorted  :roll:

People's perspective of the facts can be.  :-\
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Re: Placebo
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 12:00:35 AM »
Hey Jerry, some people would call tying a victim to a chair kidnapping. Be careful with that "little trick". :lau:


Some people would call it fun too,  ;) but they are strange. :-D


Placebos. Do they work? Yes, they do on people who really have a need for something to work. Does that make sense? Iow, there's probably an emotional element that enters into the equation, making some people more subject to the effectiveness of placebos.

Voodoo- that's an odd one, but I think it also tends to be more effective on people who are "spooky", or are looking for more meaning in life.

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Re: Placebo
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2009, 07:40:54 AM »
If you believe in ghost, or UFOs or other strange happenings, would you see them?

Think about it.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the Hopi indians who had a saying that "the gods will appear only to those who believe".

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Re: Placebo
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 07:43:51 PM »
If you believe in ghost, or UFOs or other strange happenings, would you see them?

Think about it.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the Hopi indians who had a saying that "the gods will appear only to those who believe".

Don't you think the gods should appear to the non-believers in order to get them to believe?
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Re: Placebo
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 06:46:58 AM »
People can worry themselves to death, people die of broken hearts, old couples in nursing homes, one dies, the other goes minutes after, happens quite often here.

Concerntration camp survivors in their 90s, same for POWs and Vets they have a will to live, such a value of life that they refuse to die.

The mind is so powerful, Im sure we will never understand the brains ability to hit the on/off button.

Aboriginies here can "point the bone" at you. They believe that so strongly, its akin to holding a loaded shotgun to their head and pulling the trigger. If the bone is pointed at one of them, they curl up and die. Its a recorded fact. Doesnt matter what age, sex, health, dead in a week. Stare into space, close thier eyes and die. Its amazing that it can happen. Ifs thats not mind over matter, I dont know what is.

Horses can just throw themselves on the ground and die in a minute if they feel like it, thats incredible to see.

Anyone born this century wont die if they have enough money to pay for the regenerative cell treatments that will be ready in 20-50 years time. I think death will eventually become a choice, or the future of the poor. Now that the ban on stem cell research has been removed up there, anythings possible.

I can post a link to a podcast about placebos if you like.

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Re: Placebo
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 08:47:09 AM »
So everybody pretty much believes that if a person believes enough they can affect changes in their bodies. So let us go a step further.

If a person or persons believes strong enough, can they cause something..... like ummm... strange ghostly appearances? Perhaps cause something to move "All by itself"?
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Re: Placebo
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 04:25:10 AM »
Chi or Qi gong is the stuff. Theres some vids around of old masters of this taken in the 80s and early 90s. They can move things, through their energy. that I do believe.

 

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