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« on: June 30, 2009, 05:32:08 AM »

Ok, well we aint got no water. Unfortunately, demand has exceeded supply.

So I am aiming to work in the water game having already worked in gas and electricity, HVAC and more, I figure thats the most secure industry going here. I wanna end up like Dallas, without his fragile bones.

I had an interview. The end was peculiar. Planned by them, but odd.

I was closest to the door. So up I got after all the usual pleasantries. For the interviewer to open the door would have been awkward. For me to open it was logical, but might have been set up to see if I acted like I already owned the joint.  I opened the door, extended my hand to indicate that the person who had moved toward it should exit before me which he did. I turned to see if the remaining panel wanted to take advantage of my natural courteous act, they remained seated so I bid them farewell me hearties!

Now seeing as I was a foot from the door, in my mind, to not open it would have required me to remain seated until someone opened it for me. That would be unnatural to me.

Ive interviewed enough people myself to know how to get out of the room with everyone feeling groovy. So I reckon this is some new strategy to see how you react to authority, to see if you are up yourself, as I would say.

Then again, does letting yourself out the door indicate some weird subserviant self machochisits whats it called side of yourself. Or does it mean you are a bully boy?

Got me stuffed. I reckon I played it right, but I value your input as I know we are currently 12 years 32 days 16 hours and change behind the US.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 07:36:54 AM »

I think you did it exactly right, I wouldn't second guess yourself like that - it was time to leave, and you left!
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »

I never think about that stuff. I just do what I do when I do it. If anything is read into it, it would be wrong.  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 11:25:48 AM »

wow Mick, I never think about that stuff, I'm honest, courteous and direct - if they don't like it I don't want to work for them.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 11:41:35 AM »

Assertivenss without bossiness is always a good thing, imo. Smiley

Of course, it always depends on who is doing the hiring. If he/she wants a puppet, then an assertive person has less of a chance of getting the job.
That being said, I am myself, no matter who I am with, so imo, you handled it well.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 05:13:19 PM »

You did good Mick. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 07:37:58 PM »

if it was a she, and she was one of those freaky libbers, you could be in trouble;  otherwise, i think you were being polite and practical.  two things i'd want in an employee.  smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 09:07:43 PM »

Yes KP its a sad state of affairs. I was brought up to stand for a lady and open doors but nowadays this can lead to a filthy look.

Anyways, it couldnt have gone too bad. To cut a long story short they want to talk to me about another more senior role on friday, so fingers crossed.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 12:07:52 AM »

Hm. I figure it was a test of your initiative: In a different but equally awkward situation, would you be able to step into a leadership role, in an instant, if it was required of you (say, if the building caught fire and other people were looking around frantically, wondering what to do next)?

I do believe you passed!
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 07:05:23 PM »

Good luck on Friday Mick. Whats the job, RAINMAKER EXTRORDINAIRE ?.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 08:03:57 PM »

Mick,
You did the right thing,even if not politically correct.Good luck on your next trip there!
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 04:15:58 AM »

Good luck on Friday Mick. Whats the job, RAINMAKER EXTRORDINAIRE ?.

God willing and the river dont rise, I might be able to tell you tomorrow Geoff.

Thanks to all for your input, much appreciated.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 01:51:23 PM »

I've seen television shows where interviewers literally seat prospective employees in chairs where the front legs are inches lower than the rear, giving the seater the feeling of falling out of the chair during the interview.

The company will only consider people who stand up and state they would rather continue the interview STANDING than to fall on their face in the rigged chair!

There are lots of ways to test a possible employee...

When I was young I tried out for a car sales man job, the interviewer handed me a Desk Staplegun and said "Here, sell this to me" I went right into Beemaster mode and asked him what he wanted it for, he come up with some fictitious company, I proceeded to explain we had many models from light to heavy duty, great discounts on quantity purchases, colors which match any office decor, etc.. When finished, I boldly asked, "So... how many cases would you like to buy today?!"

I got the job, did very well at car sales and couldn't stand it, it was a terrible job which I would never repeat, although I did quite well for nearly four months. Today, if I had to reenter the job market in sales, I think I'd go for consumer tech sales (Best Buy type) of job - I know it wouldn't be making the kind of money us Fed employees make, but I think I'd like what I do Smiley

Good luck Mick, keep us posted.
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 10:29:38 PM »

Well joy of joys, Im back on the Government payroll!

Im going to be working on a project, the aim of which is to reduce the amount of water used in fire protection system testing.

Ill be on probation of course and when thats over I get ALL THE JUICY Govt benefits.

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2009, 10:45:00 PM »

Congratulations mick! I love a happy ending.


I knew a manager once that would "accidentally" drop his pen while interviewing a potential new hire. If the candidate did not bend down and pick up the pen, they were not hired. True story.

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2009, 10:50:47 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 10:59:28 PM »

glad to hear you got a new job, and hope everything works out for the best.

I would be interested in waht you are doing, I am a fire sprinkler contractor myself.

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2009, 11:16:21 PM »

Yes John and Steve, theres some crazy tricks out there. IMO they are used by people who have never been taught how to interview people. IMO, when I hasve interviewed people, I can tell after 30 seconds if they have what is required.

I tell you what puts me off right away, stale cigarette smoke, unpolished shoes and dandruff all over the place. I mean, have these people heard of a clothes brush?

Thanks KP and G3, when I know what I am doing I will let you know. From what I have gathered, the water used in weekly, monthly testing is un metered, so not charged for. They think in our area, somewhere between 500 million and 1 billion litres are wasted each year in testing of sprinkler systems. The aim is to reduce that by working with people, not against them.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2009, 11:54:22 AM »

Around here there is so much water wasted on watering grass it is pityful, most of the time it is just running down the road.

Watched the water district dump 2 million gallons of water in a creek one day so they could make an internal inspection of a tank, don't guess they ever heard of a diver and camera. Please don't anyone say that would be nasty for someone to go diving into a tank of potable water, I can tell you there are worse things in your water lines, trust me on that one. I have installed miles of underground water lines and fire lines.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 02:23:56 PM »

congrats Mick.  I never understood mind games in an interview. The bottom line is whether the prospective employee will do the job at least 100%. -beyond if the employer has found a gem(someone who actually really likes the work and is into it.).
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2009, 02:07:51 AM »

I used to ask 6 questions of prospective employees.  I had a high retention rate, good atmosphere, and able employees.
The the company decided they wanted every manager to use the same assessment system or predetermined questions and a checklist of the response, at the end we added up points and had to hire those with the highest ranking.
Once I started using the standardized hiring system I ended up with irritable employees, low retention, and backbitting galore.

My questions were:
1. What do you think I want in an employee?  [Honesty and self assessment}
2. What part of the store/restuarant would you feel more comfortable working in? {introvert/extrovert}
3. What are you non-scholastic (extra-curricular) school/volunteer activities? [Iniciative]
4. Tell me something interesting about yourself!  {Openness/communication skills}
5. I would give them a change making problem for them to solve (You'd be surprized how many people can't make change these days).  {Error rate}
6. Do you  have any friends that work here, and if so, did they recommend you apply?  [People don't recommend slackers, even if friends, to be co-workers]
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2009, 12:26:39 PM »

I can seriously relate to Question 2, introvert/extrovert. I am an introvert. I do very very well placed in a quiet, repetitive, mundane setting that would drive most people crazy with boredom. I can collate paperwork for hours on end. I can sit/stand at a drill press putting pieces into a jig and working thousands of the same little parts... and be happy. But, put me at a front desk - switchboard, customer service, filing etc. all at the same time - multitasking, and I get the rusty-halo syndrome. (I have a pleasant face, demeanor and good phone etiquette/voice, and so have been mis-placed by many an employer in the past.)

I'd rather be out in a field, all by myself, covered in bees...
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 06:23:04 AM »



Now what I am getting at is, thanks to the folks here and on ventrillo, I was able to get myself out of a hole and, despite being the wrong side of 40 and very nervous, reinvent and, reinvigorate myself. Sometimes its good to have the opinions and advice of strangers that have no interest in the outcome of the deal.

Im no good at BS online, Im just me. What you see is what you get. The help from you folks has enabled me to believe in myself in a manner which I have not for some time. Aussie men in general have difficulty expressing themselves and accepting compliments, we are no good at self promotion, we dont sell ourselves like men from other countries in job interview situations, often to our detriment.

Your combined enthusiasm and support of me is partly responsible for this new opportunity and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. There are too many of you to mention for fear of leaving someone out but you all know who you are.

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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 10:12:47 AM »

Mick that is great news, congratulations! May this be a new and exciting chapter in your life. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 11:29:19 AM »

Hey, Mick, good for you!

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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 12:57:13 PM »

Happy for you Mick. Hope all goes well with the new job
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 01:02:28 PM »

that sure does sound like a winner to me.

Did you have to adjust the head band on your bee veil, I would have had to since my head would have swelled just a little grin

just kidding you and glad things worked out for the good.

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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2009, 01:28:56 AM »

Kinda makes me wonder what what kinda fruit loops they usually interview Wink
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2009, 07:14:36 AM »

Very happy for you, best of luck with the new position. You deserve it Mick!


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