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« on: June 14, 2009, 03:54:20 PM »

Do you know what makes me so mad that I just want to slide down a strand of barbed wire butt naked ... and fill the wound with Tabasco sauce!

We're located here in Oklahoma ... and I get a call about a bee problem in North Carolina. Not only does this lady want me to identify the bees in question without pictures or travel ... then she wants me to find someone to kill them today, that's not just located in North Carolina ... but has an area code the same as hers. Then after I try to explain the potentially harmful effects bees can have on someone who might be allergic ... she assures me that they are so docile and gentle, that they have landed on her head without stinging.

I don't mind answering questions ... it looks good on my industry for us to do so, and looks good for my company also. But when we're called to answer questions because of our professionalism, expertise, experiences and industry ... then don't dismiss the information we provide.

I mean ... would you go to your doctor, have them diagnose you with terminal skin cancer which covers 3/4 or more of your body, visible by everyone ... and then tell your doctor that they are wrong?

If they are that gentle ... LEAVE THEM ALONE!
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 05:21:34 PM »

It takes all kinds in business but don't get so mad that you just want to slide down a strand of barbed wire butt naked ... and fill the wound with Tabasco sauce!

That's a little extreme IMO. There will always be Koo Koos to contend with, but they are the exception, not the rule.


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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 08:15:29 PM »

I can't say it makes me mad, but it frustrates and confuses me.  I just got a swarm call and they have already tried to kill them, of course and then they called me...  why?  Why would I want poisoned bees?
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 08:46:43 PM »

When people spray them, they usually don't know any better in most cases. They believe anything with a stinger can't possibly be good.

We get called out because things either went badly or there are still straggler bees hanging on in some small cluster for dear life, which is truly sad and pathetic.

I made a decision a little while back that these types of people need to be educated more than anyone about all the wonderful things honeybees have to offer.

I always have my camera with me and show them pictures of swarms before and after the shake, educating them on the many reasons why they don't need to spray a swarm, that 99.9% of the time they are quite harmless.

I can't say I make a convert of everyone but I try my best to and always leave a card with my phone number. It also helps to have honey with you and let them sample it.

Even though the situation was grim when I showed up, I actually feel like I've done some good by the time I drive off.

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 11:35:55 AM »

That's a great way to look at it, JP! Maybe this time is a no-go, but with some kind, gentle education maybe next time they will handle it better!
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 12:01:46 PM »

Now I am wondering JP why there cant be a commercial on TV that plays over and over explaining in detail just the same thing you said. It is truly just a matter of educating people and how to get the message out there big time???

I hope the schools are finally teaching about honeybees. Heck I didn't even know what a honeybee was until I started beekeeping 3 years ago.

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 02:56:53 PM »

. Heck I didn't even know what a honeybee was until I started beekeeping 3 years ago.



I didn't know what a honeybee was until I got stung on the left eyelid in 8th grade PE. I was afraid of them until I started beekeeping at age 43.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 12:41:51 AM »

To be embarrassingly honest, I didn't know for certain what a honeybee was until I got 6# of them this May! Now I am learning (by watching and reading) about all types of bees and how they fit into it all.

Ignorance is just part of the human condition. It seems like if folks are kindly and graciously taught, they often find it fascinating and maybe would even consider not blasting it with poison!!   rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2009, 08:00:32 AM »

>>>>Do you know what makes me so mad that I just want to slide down a strand of barbed wire butt naked ... and fill the wound with Tabasco sauce!<<<<

>>>>Then after I try to explain the potentially harmful effects bees can have on someone who might be allergic .<<<<

That is enough to do it for me. A supposedly professional bee person extolling the 1:10,000 chance of bees doing major harm, rather than explaining how docile they are and how important they are. Sounds like a great way to convince them to spray every one they see.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2009, 09:24:48 PM »

I ended up going to the place since the swarm hadn't left and hadn't died.  The guy felt really bad as he had been researching since then and found out a lot about bees.  He freaked because all of a sudden his family was in the middle of a "tornado" of bees.

I put two eight frame medium boxes that had bees in them before on a stand at the foot of the tree with a couple of old combs in it and dipped a cotton swab end in my lemongrass essential oil and the other in some queen juice (alcohol with "retired" queens in it) and put the swab on the top bars and put the lid on.  Before I even got to the lemongrass oil they were interested in the hive.  By the time I got the lid on ten or so were checking it out.  In a few minutes there were more.  This was noon and I went back to work and called them at 5:30 and the bees had moved into the hive.  I went back at dark and picked them up and took them home.  Of course I didn't wear a veil or anything while all this went on.  It was the easiest swarm catch ever, if I don't count the ones that moved into my empty equipment from time to time.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 12:46:26 AM »

 Alot of people just don't understand and may hopefully act differently after they have been educated.
I mean really, how many of use knew anything about bees before we became interested enough in them to take up beekeeping?
The average person would have no reason to know that much about them any more than I would know about different races of say...frogs.
If you put yourself in their shoes you may have more patience.
I get annoyed when people badger (as in rude comments) me about why I keep bees but not the questions about bees, if they are asking questions then they are being educated so I am happy to oblige.
I honestly get kind of bewildered when I read some of these posts where people complain about other people not being educated about honeybees, is it taught in school to know the difference between the different species of bees? Is it really considered common knowledge?
Before I got interested in beekeeping I only had a vague idea of which type of bee was which, not to sound sarcastic but I was busy with other more pressing matters.
How often does the subject of honey bees or any other bees just come up in every day conversations of non beekeepers where they would be expected to have any real knowledge of them?
Now while it bothers me when people just randomly spray bees without checking into all their options I try to understand where they are coming from.
Fear of being stung by bees or having your children get stung by bees will motivate people to want bees gone as soon as possible at all costs before they really think about it.
Lets not forget about the media in all this. How much good press do bees get?
It just bothers me when I read some of these posts where people just seem to want to get a crowd riled about the stupidity of the average non beekeeping person.
JP is going about things the right way, rather than get mad at people for not being educated, educate them and show kindness.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 07:41:33 AM »

Let me clear the air about one thing, I'm no saint, it po's me when the initial reaction has been to spray them, I get angry just like everyone else on here, but these people really don't understand honeybees like we do and who else could be better at passing along positive information about honeybees, the do's and don'ts but us beekeepers?

It really is our responsiblity to teach responsiblity to the irresponsible, albeit ignorantly irresponsible nonbeekeeping community.

They are after all just human, just like us. I'm a human being first, a beekeeper second.


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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 07:50:18 AM »

Really Jp I thought I heard you called St. Jp somewhere  Wink hmm, must have been someone else.

I agree with what you are saying, rather than pick people apart for not knowing something I would like to see us educate people.
I just don't expect people to know anything about anything in today's world, its just too unpredictable so I go with the flow and hope I can make a small difference in changing people's perception of things.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 10:55:26 AM »

Natalie, I just may be a saint. You know the expression, if you wanna get to heaven, you gotta raise a little hell?

Ask Cindi if she thinks I'm a saint?  lau


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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 02:22:00 PM »

I always thought the J in JP stood for Jesus. Are you telling me now that it doesn't?   huh That's worse than hearing there is no Santa.  Cry

Yes, it's our job to educate the uneducated, in the bee world, anyway. A few minutes of explaining can save many bees in the future.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2009, 06:07:29 PM »

I always thought the J in JP stood for Jesus. Are you telling me now that it doesn't?   huh That's worse than hearing there is no Santa.  Cry

Yes, it's our job to educate the uneducated, in the bee world, anyway. a few minutes of explaining can save many bees in the future.

It stands for Jumpin' as in holy jumpin' cadoodlepoppers! lau

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2009, 09:04:59 PM »

JP "If you are a believer, you know that Christ came into the world for the sinners, get my point?"
 I am and amen.

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2009, 09:17:07 PM »

Wow, JP!!!
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 Hmmmm....I dont know if JPs a saint, but in my book, hes pretty cool!
I'd let him in heaven if I was God! Smiley
Yeh, I got a call recently about a swarm on a fireplug...by the time I got to it all theres was left was about a cupful of bees.....Somebody took it upon themselves to spray them before I got there....you could smell the raid still in the air! and, originally, the swarm was basketball sized!
 That was the first time for me to actually see this happen....what a drag....
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2009, 11:25:40 PM »

Hey John, thanks for letting me into heaven! I think you're cool too man, I'd let you in, and we'd go fishing for giant fish!


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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2009, 01:25:58 AM »

I have to admit, I've never been that mad.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2009, 03:05:41 AM »

All I have to say is that people in this county are getting more ignorant, arrogant, and less tolerant every single day.  I give this country fifty years maximum before it turns to sosalisam or something worse because again, people in this county are getting more ignorant, arrogant, and less tolerant every single day.
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2009, 01:18:51 AM »

All I have to say is that people in this county are getting more ignorant, arrogant, and less tolerant every single day.  I give this country fifty years maximum before it turns to sosalisam or something worse because again, people in this county are getting more ignorant, arrogant, and less tolerant every single day.

Where've you been?  Haven't you heard that Obama got elected President, decided he liked being a dictator better, began nationalizing banks, manufactures, is proposing unfunded universal medical coverage, doesn't hesitate to intimidate the AMA into supporting it, and who knows what else is coming down the pike in the future.

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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2009, 07:37:46 AM »

Now, Now, bee-nuts, try to be a little more tolerant.   evil   grin

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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 05:24:40 PM »

"That sounds like socialism to me."

Sure does does don't it.  Fifty years max is what I said.  Now we get to see how stupid the average American is and weather the will let those things slip into effect like the acceptance of the federal reserve (which is a privately owned business and has nothing to do with the federal government) and most of the tax codes which are unconstitutional and make us slaves.  Avoidable taxes would be much more appropriate.  Gun control will be coming soon.

"Now, Now, bee-nuts, try to be a little more tolerant."

I don't care what you or anybody else does or believes as long as it does not affect my freedom or yours.  Socialism as an example takes from the strong and productive and gives to the weak and unproductive.  This only breeds laziness that sucks at the will to be productive and self sufficient and leach of others.  In Russia people starved to death because there salary was the same if they sat on there butt all day thus they did not produce enough for all to eat.  If you want to start some socialist commune or whatever, go for it.  Ill tolerate it, and so should all.

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »

No wonder my son is so into this socialism thing...Now it makes perfectly good sense why he is the way he is!

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"That sounds like socialism to me."

Sure does does don't it.  Fifty years max is what I said.  Now we get to see how stupid the average American is and weather the will let those things slip into effect like the acceptance of the federal reserve (which is a privately owned business and has nothing to do with the federal government) and most of the tax codes which are unconstitutional and make us slaves.  Avoidable taxes would be much more appropriate.  Gun control will be coming soon.

You don't even have to be actually stupid to fall for it. The propaganda is like having your brain carpet bombed with nonsense from birth; until it feels wrong to think against the flow of disinformation. Until even the smartest among the programmed are confused with their results when the social math doesn't add up to them - and they keep silent while they check and recheck the data.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2009, 01:03:28 PM »

JBF, does your son earn any money?  if he does, just tell him that he'll have to start turning over his paycheck to you, for the good of the family.  tell him that you (the government) will now give him what you think he needs.  the other money you will take and use as you see fit, and you might even give some of it to other families...just to be fair.  after all, it's not fair for him to have money to spend on wants when you and your neighbors have to spend on needs.
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2009, 03:07:30 AM »

I honestly don't really think the intelligence of the average American matters myself.  Most people are to busy to pay enough attention to what is really going on.  You would have to be unemployed to have enough time.  And even if you did have enough time that probably does not matter enough because politics is more or less a ratings game similar to television.  They try to figure what sounds best, will get the votes they need, then once in office or reelected they just push what agenda pays the most or push the ideals that they were never honest about in the first place.  I was listening to the radio the other day in the car and the person was saying how there was a 1200 page document/bill and only one day to read it before voting.  It is insane.  If they all took a permanent vacation we probably would be better off.  This Country will fall apart, it is just a matter of time, unless there is some catastrophic event that wakes the country up as a whole.  The older you are the better off you are in terms of the quality of life you will have lived in my opinion.

Anyway, I can easily go off on politics so I guess I better get back to the real reason why I am here and that's beekeeping.  Good luck all.

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2009, 06:28:26 PM »

Hey Kathy!/Thats a sore spot under my saddle for sure!
 Brad doesnt EARN anything...He gets a survivor check from SS after his dad killed himself......Janelle allows him to piss it away...800 a month....But, what can I say? Im only the guy he lives with, right?..And, the older he gets, the wierder his ideas become...Currently, he's an Atheist/Socialist.....Its goofy as can be at my house...I live with 2 atheists, 7 dogs, and some fish...I supose you can call my situation a "Living Miracle!"....I havent killed anything yet!..maybe, that only because I'me a Born againg Christians from the early 80's.....But, then again, my example doesnt shine very clearly either, sometimes! Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2009, 06:42:35 PM »

ah well...someday he won't get that check and he'll learn the way most of us learn....the school of life smiley.sometimes it's like that no matter how hard we try to teach them.  my two boys are so different.  one has no money and can't figure out where it goes.  he ponders his state as he watches his big screen tv and plays his video games.  the other has lots of money saved and owns the same stuff.  the difference is that one bought things as he wanted them and the other as he could afford them.  same family.  same upbringing. 
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