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« on: June 11, 2009, 11:49:22 AM »

I finally saw him/her today. Took a pot shot with AR-15 to scare him off. Perhaps I should have been serious. If he comes back I will be.

I guess that is what has gotten a few chickens.   I dunno
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 11:53:40 AM »

they tend to have a route.  if you can identify it, you'll have a better chance of killing it.  they also have schedules.  i had one that showed up in the pasture at 3pm every day for a long time.

at this time of the year seems they are feeding babies and they go for easy bulk stuff.  a chicken yard is perfect!
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 12:26:25 PM »

it will be back, done found a buffet
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 01:04:25 PM »

I saw one a couple of years ago in the early morning hours when I was walking my dogs - in the city of Atlanta.  It watched me and the dogs for long enough for me to know for sure it was a coyote and then leaped into the woods.  I couldn't believe it!  I was so excited!  I called the Georgia Dept of Natural Resources to report it.  Here's how the conversation went:

Me:  "Hi, This is Dr. Linda Tillman.  I want to report a coyote sighting."  (I rarely acknowledge my degree unless I want a little umph!)
GDNR guy:  "Yes, Maaaaam." in a very bored voice
Me:  "I saw a coyote inside the perimeter of Atlanta - a coyote!" in an excited voice.
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Me:  "Don't you want to know where it was and all of that?"
Him:  "Ma'am, They're everywhere."

I was so deflated.....

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 01:36:53 PM »

I was in San Luis Obispo California for awhile. Deer would be out in the yard most mornings and there were reports of dogs and cats and maybe even a child carried off by Coyotes. If the pickings are slim they will venture into town and take what ever is available.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 02:27:14 PM »

I have trapped, snared and shot hundreds in 4 states over a 30 year period and can tell you when the end of the world comes the last two remaining creatures will be coyotes and roaches.  They adapt!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 05:22:32 PM »

we have a few of them around and the 22-250 does a good job on them. they are smart as the dickens but are such oppertunist that they get dumb sometimes and mistakes are costly.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 11:24:34 AM »

I have lost a few more chickens and started building a trap yesterday. Then just a little bit ago, as I was walking through the kitchen and working out the trip mechanism for the trap in my head, I glanced out the window and there he was coming down the neighbor's fence line. He stopped and was watching us watching him through the window. I started to wait till he was closer and then go scare him off and my wife said, "Go get your gun."

So I get it and as he was watching her and the son-in-law through the window, he couldn't see me go out the back door and sneak around to the edge of the storage shed. Not real sure if he saw me as I got a bead on him bracing myself against the building, but he took a couple of steps. Looking through the scope to see what was behind the coyote, I was remembering this thing hasn't been sighted in for over ten years, and one can't just start lobbing bullets all over the place. There's houses and cars, and donkeys and horses and other junk scattered within range.

Hummm. Sights or scope? He was about 100 yards away. OK scope. Where should I place the cross hairs? He was standing with his right side to me and looking towards me... or the house... So I decided to go for the area of the lungs and heart. Keep in mind I really don't want to shoot the guy, just wished he'd stay away. But I can't keep feeding him. And I would really hate to just injure him and he goes off and suffers someplace dying an agonizing death. (See I am not a vengeful person.)

OK. Deep breath, let it out, squeeze the trigger. Good thing he ain't moving. You do know an AR-15 makes a loud noise don't you? So BANG. Recoil, blink maybe, mules down range kicking and jumping gosh they weren't there a second ago, hope I didn't hit one. But....

Where did he go?

So I came into the house. "Which way did he go?" I asked the wife.

"Didn't you see it? He just dropped." She said. "I heard the pop and he was down."

So I go looking. Yep, there he was. Couldn't have asked for a better shot. Neck bone. Instant kill.

So now do I finish the coyote trap?  Undecided
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 11:37:51 AM »

YES we had a pack of four that got a calf only got one of them so we set some traps got the rest that night. If there is one there is more to come. By the way good shot grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 11:45:29 AM »

Good going!!!    Get that gun sighted in.  A hit in the neck when aiming at the lungs is a near miss.   Oppertunites like that dont come often and cant be passed up.   
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 11:51:35 AM »

finish the trap.  last night i had the windows open and heard barking outside. it set my dogs off and they were barking back and forth.  before i could get out of bed and see whos dog was loose, the barking changed to coyote yipping.  the thing was circling the house trying to get my dogs out to "play".  i have no doubt that the whole pack was close by waiting for the chance to kill them.

where there is one, there are more!!

good shot.  you must have been practicing  evil .
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 11:53:56 AM »

That was the third shot I have fired in about ten years. And all of those have been at the coyote.

I get lucky every now and then.  grin
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 12:09:27 PM »

Get that gun sighted in.  a hit in the neck when aiming at the lungs is a near miss.   

Some of that might be... er... is.... me. I can't quit anticipating the shot. And the trigger on this rifle is a wee bit hard to pull. So as I am trying to get a smooth squeeze the anticipation kicks in right about the time the hammer is finally released. And I usually go up and to the right a little.


But I have  placed 20 rounds in a six inch pattern at 350 yards.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 12:39:11 PM »

the stock triggers on AR 15 have to be the worst.  Everything that a bad trigger can have is present on these.   They stick, creep and are very sloppy.  I put a JP adjustable on my bushmaster.  It is very nice and easy to install.  Heres a link
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 02:56:34 PM »

                  $126
                             
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 04:36:27 PM »

$126??  have you priced the AR 15 recently.  up around 900 dollars last i check with my horse shoer.
                             
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 04:55:29 PM »

$900 is cheap. Better snatch that sucker up. I was just debating if that price was worth the extra accuracy. Or would it be cheaper to practice more patience?

Got to remember, I was raised poor. It is hard to get out of the habit of thinking of every dollar. My daughter drives me nuts sometimes. They might spend $75 on fireworks this year. I know it ain't much, but it makes me want to pull my hair out. And it is already pretty thin.


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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 05:03:57 PM »

i know.  i watch my kids spend money and wondered if i had taught them nothing?  oh well, they will be lucky or learn the hard way.  moms purse only opens to pay for lawyers and that only for the sake of the grandkids  grin

i don't mind spending money on guns, but since i don't shoot as much as i used to, it's hard to justify a spendy one.  one that will do the job is good enough...with a good laser on it smiley
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 06:15:37 PM »

Look at these prices  shocked  shocked  shocked

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2009, 06:20:27 PM »

This trigger is only $219.95  Undecided

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2009, 11:31:46 PM »

You gonna shoot him in the neck too Jerry? grin


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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2009, 11:46:33 PM »

We have so many coyotes around here and I have seen them on more than one occassion. They try to lure the dog into the woods and he runs into the woods and I freak out that he will get eaten.  I hate that yip yip sound they make all night long sometimes.
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2009, 11:58:04 PM »

I believe it was Danno that said Coyotes and roaches would be the last to leave earth and I have to agree.

I've read up on them and they have a way of surviving that is unprecedented in the animal kingdom.

You have to respect their skills.

There really is no (legal, politically correct) way to get rid of them, they have ways of coming back and boosting their population when messed with.

They are far smarter than people give them credit for.

The late, famous archer Howard Hill was a renowned trapper, he said the smartest animal out there is the coyote, I remember reading accounts where he had coyotes steal chickens without setting off traps.

Good trappers know all about being scent free with their equipment and outsmarting their target, but coyotes can be as sly as they come.


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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 12:05:26 AM »

they are smart.  i couldn't believe that one last night.  it gave us both the chills.  it sounded just like a young dog barking....until it didn't!
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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2009, 08:05:58 AM »

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What kind of trap are you making?   If its any kind of box trap you will never catch a adult in it.   These are the ones stealing chickens to feed pups.  Once the pups are hunting you might catch 1 or 2 of these but this wont solve your problem.   As I stated in a earlier post I have trapped snared and shot hundreds.  If you want to make a dent in th population learn to snare.  If very easy to learn.  Snaring is cheap to get into.  It is very effective.   You catch them going from point a to point b and  because there is no bait, they are not cautious.  They are just traveling and if they hit the loop they are dead if they miss the loop they dont know how close they were.
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2009, 06:10:40 PM »

Gonna be a big box type thing with live chickens as bait. Will look a lot like a small chicken coop and perhaps they will want to go in and get the chicken. when they get far enough into the box, a portion of the floor tilts and pulls a pin holding the door open and another pin to drop another door to block off the chickens.

The problem with doing other types is the other animals that might walk into the trap. Like my dogs and cats.
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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2009, 10:24:56 PM »

Hmmm...So,... I'm the party pooper this time....
 I like coyotes!
 I like how they sound at evening time..There used to be more out here but walmart came and tons of wildlife was pushed out
Eventually, people will irradicate the coyotes...just like the cougars...just like the buffalo.Sure, the coyotes are very good adapters...but, so was the American Indian.
Its a fact that the coyotes can get a calf or chicken...but, maybe, if people hadnt shot up all the rabbits, turkeys, and other food for coyotes, they wouldnt come after our stuff.
People down here pretty much shoot the coyotes just to be able to kill something and be justified...Theres lots of ranchers around my area and all the ones Ive talked to about the coyotes dont consider them a problem..The Hilltop Ranch has some big dogs called Great pyraneese( big furry white dogs)really friendly when they come around. The hilltop guy, when he spots a coyote, just lets the dogs go after them. he doesnt lose calves.
I used to lose chickens to coyotes sometimes...But, now, I have too many dogs! too many dogs for coyotes to tangle with...and too many dogs to have around chickens.
I lost more chickens from dogs than I ever did to coyotes
 I dont like seeing the coyotes hanging dead on tee posts either for miles down the road..Its sick....It doesnt deter other coyotes from coming around.It just is a way for somebody who shoots them like that to tell the world how tuff he is.
 But,...to each his own, I suppose. I used to hate killing animals for whatever reason...But, recently, Ive become quite adept at killing hawks which keep coming back for free pigeon dinners..If I dont pull the trigger, I wont have any pigeons left. Killed a bobcat once last year too....I locked paul in the pigeon coop while I went to get more bullets( we musta shot 60 rounds at very close range and couldnt hit the cat!)Paul was in there waiting for me and the bullets...I forgot about him...I was having a few beers while he waited....Paul killed it with a shovel that looks like a fork!When I came outta the house I heard paul yelling to let him out! Thats when I realised I had locked him in and forgotten about him in there!
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2009, 10:55:23 PM »

i like them too, but they won't stick to the rabbits.  of those, i have plenty, and would love them to be thinned.  i wouldn't think of shooting the  hawks, but the swallows can go!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2009, 11:09:12 PM »

I have a lot of rabbits, rats, mice, and who knows what. Notice my first post I was only trying to scare him off and hoped he would stay away. Since then I had seen him a couple of times and got one other shot at him. Then I lost two chickens in two days and nobody saw him.

I like coyotes. I like to hear them yelping at night. They have their place in the world. They do scavenge therefore keeping the dead carcasses in check. We had a car plaster a couple of goats one night and the next day the coyotes drug them off the highway to feed off them.

I don't think they will ever be killed off. They live in the suburbs after all.
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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2009, 05:44:21 PM »

I grew up on this little farm I live on now and had never seen a coyote when I was growing up. The TWRA set them out everywhere. I have not lost any calfs but I do think they keep the cat population in check.

Like I said before they are very smart and oppertunistic, so much they will make a mistake and those are costly. Just as you proved, he was so intent on keeping his eyes on you he forgot to look around, and it was costly.

After you use bait, different calls and shoot at them a couple of times they tend to know what you are up to. It is best to catch them just walking around to shoot one, thats tough. I use snares on fence lines myself, just find where they are crossing and hang it off of the barb wire.

I would not shoot a hawk to protect a pigeon, but then again pigeons are not my thing. The crows around here keep the hawks in check, and I try to keep the crows in check.

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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2009, 11:38:14 PM »

I have never been a fan of any AR type rifle.  I had either an M1 Garand, or M14 while in the Army until I got to SE Asia.  Then I was issued what I used to call my Richocet rifle, after the toy Mattel rifleman's rifle popular back then, as it went Sprong every time I pulled the trigger.  The sound of the recoil damper drove me crazy.  I sear mine was made my Mattel too.  The first time I fired it at the range every shot was keyholed, whether the distance was 25 or 150 yards it was still keyholed. 
I've also never had one in my hands that I thought was very accurate either.  Now I can shoot the2 inch black bullseye out of the target at a hunderd yards with a decent  rifle and I've just never been able to make anytype AR, or knockoff, work for me.  Have the same problem with the 1911 45 ACP.  The grip just doesn't fit my hand, juat like the AR's don't give me a good sight picture.

Besides, I believe in hitting what I'm aiming at with 1 shot at a time, not plummiting something to death by throw 100 rounds a minute at it.

That was a good shot sounds like the scope was off to the right a click or 2.  What type of weapon was it?
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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2009, 12:31:54 AM »

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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2009, 07:59:36 AM »

I have a few sodium cyanide getter guns.   They work really good
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I have a few sodium cyanide getter guns.   They work really good

Why do you have these? What do you use them for?


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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2009, 10:42:14 AM »

I'm pretty fond of the 1911 - partly because of all the cheap racing parts available.
I never was much on the .223 though.
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2009, 11:14:12 AM »

I like to hear the 'yotes.  I don't like 'em too close, though.  We have a Great Pyr that keeps 'em away for the most part, but they still like to dinker around the edges. 

We live about 4 miles from town.  The town is roughly 300k+ population, but the little buggers are still very prevalent.  I, twice, have seen them trotting along a RR track in town.  One of these times I was working third shift in the "hood".  I saw an adult with a pup following.  They were checking garbage in the alleys. 

Last Spring I found a den of pups while shrooming.  My kiddos begged me to take one and make a pet.  I didn't kill them, but I didn't bring the chicken enemies home either.   Wink  We hear and see them often.

In fact I scared one up last Tuesday.  I was up fairly early and took a quick walk through our little woods.  We have just 5 acres, but we have mostly woods and fields around us.  Our Great Pyr and I popped into one of the fields and there was a big old 'yote.  Probably the only time in recent history I didn't have a gun in my pocket.  He was only about 20yds away, and woulda given me just enough time to dump him.  I am pretty sure he was heading to my chicken coop.  He was 200 yds from it, heading that direction.  The dog woulda scared him off, I am sure, but we did lose one chicken the week before.  The coyote was pretty big.... probably 40+ pounder. 

I don't want to irradicate them, just thin them out now and then.  They are tough and admirable.  But they don't need to eat my chickens.... or kids for that matter LOL.  (although some days hee hee rolleyes

So, Jerrymac, good luck!  They are a pleasure to hear, and a challenge to call and kill, or trap for that matter.  Not much experience with the trapping.  Some with the call/kill. 

Brian D. Bray, I have heard many vets give the same review of the M16 and some of the 1911.  It would have sucked to be given such an undependable weapon.  I don't have much experience with the original 1911.  I have shot the M16 quite a bit.  We have quite a few surplus guns from the Vietnam era (I think).  I am not as knowledgable on whether they are A2 or A1.  Regardless, they must be modified in some way from what they were then, because my issued weapon works well.  As long as it is realitively clean and oiled, it functions very well.  It also is pretty accurate out to 300+ meters with the iron sights.  40 out of 40 in the 5 ring of a man-size target.  It is definitely an old rifle, but nowadays I really have no complaints.  It sure isn't sub MOA, but works. 

I sure was never in those jungles, so I can't vouch for the current weapons function in that climate or dirt.  I am guessing that rolling around in the mud and filth of Asia, they might have issues still.  For most of my work I would prefer my MP5, anyway.  Perimeter work, or "borrowing" it from my trunk for a pot shot at a 'yote it still does the job LOL.  grin

 
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2009, 11:25:30 AM »

Love my AR15 - and my 1911.  The SKS is nice, I can drive tacks with the Glock 23, but the Kel-tec fits nice and obscurely in my pocket....they're all great.  As far as 100 rounds a minute, not here in MA, no full auto allowed.  The bullets fire as fast as I can move my finger.
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2009, 11:29:19 AM »

[...]The coyote was pretty big.... probably 40+ pounder.[...] 
 

I remember reading about 15 years ago or so that where the wolf had been wiped out, the coyotes were bulking up and adopting wolfish hunting techniques.
the pity is - in all of recorded history - pure wild wolves have never attacked human beings; (the teriffic stories in fiction and whatnot were just that - fiction, there are no recorded, viable documented attacks by wolves - on humans.) wolf/shepard, wolf/ husky, and wolf/whatever mixes don't count.
Coyotes on the other hand, can be a nasty piece of work 1:1 with a people  - documented incidents of mauling children and challenging adults.
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2009, 12:24:56 PM »

I have a few sodium cyanide getter guns.   They work really good

Why do you have these? What do you use them for?


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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2009, 01:34:40 PM »

As far as 100 rounds a minute, not here in MA, no full auto allowed.  The bullets fire as fast as I can move my finger.

With the AR-15. Holding the rifle at your side pointed out in front of you.... you hold your trigger finger nice and stiff.... from your shoulder to your finger. Let us say you're a righty this would be your right hand. Your finger is on the trigger. With your left hand on the barrel stock you pull the rifle forward until it fires. Now you maintain that pull through the recoil and as soon as it jacks the next round it will fire and then again and again. If done right it fires at near the same rate as a full auto.

Make sure there is nothing in front of you that you don't want destroyed cause the first time you do it is kind of a surprise and the bullets go everywhere.  shocked
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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2009, 03:59:14 PM »

As far as 100 rounds a minute, not here in MA, no full auto allowed.  The bullets fire as fast as I can move my finger.

With the AR-15. Holding the rifle at your side pointed out in front of you.... you hold your trigger finger nice and stiff.... from your shoulder to your finger. Let us say you're a righty this would be your right hand. Your finger is on the trigger. With your left hand on the barrel stock you pull the rifle forward until it fires. Now you maintain that pull through the recoil and as soon as it jacks the next round it will fire and then again and again. If done right it fires at near the same rate as a full auto.

Make sure there is nothing in front of you that you don't want destroyed cause the first time you do it is kind of a surprise and the bullets go everywhere.  shocked



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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2009, 06:34:53 AM »

Ooh, I'll have to try that next time I'm out blasting away!  evil  But it'll still be only 30 rounds, we don't have any higher cap mags......yet.  And, of course, they'll never, ever be here in MA, where, you know, evil, illegal guns jump up on their own and shoot innocent victims aw de time!   sheeple rolleyes 
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